'First three chapters'

[Teatime]

Hi all,

Just a brief question: many agents ask for three sample chapters, or the first three chapters.
My mss has a prologue (with no chapters), then a Part: I and chapters begin after that. The prologue is about 2,500 words long; the prologue plus the first two chapters of Part: I is about 4,500 words.

Is this the sort of length agents are looking for when they want to see three chapters? Or perhaps sending the prologue on its own might be better?

Thanks a lot,

Jon

[John Jarrold]

I would personally send the prologue and the first two chapters, but my rule of thumb is: if you're uncertain, ask the specific person to whom you intend to submit material.

[Teatime]

Thanks for the speedy reply - already acted on the advice!

Jon

[John Jarrold]

Good luck!

[Havlen]

My personal rule of thumb would be: if a prologue is a page or less then don't count it as a chapter, and if it is more along the lines of chapter length to definitely count it as a prologue.

But then again, to date, I've only written one thing with a prologue and I ended up axing the prologue for that one. So I am no authority

[Teatime]

Hi all again -

Just realised, after phoning every potential agent in the yearbook over the past few days, that '3 chapters' can vary from novel to novel. For me, it is about 4,500 words (as I said above), but some agents have said '3 chapters, or 30-50 pages or so', which implies a certain length of those chapters. My 3 chapters come up to about 23 pages double spaced and so on.

Is this something I should contact the agents about again, or are my 3 chapters likely to be sufficient for those agents that specify, well, 3 chapters?

I have read some books that have a chapter per page, for instance...

Thanks

[JDP]

My gut would suggest that if they ask for three chapters, you should send them three chapters. Assuming they want to read more, they'll ask for it.

[Havlen]

If they ask for three chapters, you can't go wrong by sending three chapters. If they read more than the first ten or so pages you are doing good.

Also, I'd avoid calling potential agents multiple times. Of course, in the States, you avoid ever calling them unless they call you first. Think it is a little more relaxed over there, but still wouldn't push it.

[Teatime]

Ok.

Basically, it's one agency in particular that I'm thinking about.
I really like the agency. So I want to maximise my chances with them.
They asked me for 3 chapters, or the first 50 or so pages - they said it's up to me what I send, they just want an impression of the book.

The first 3 chapters brings me up to 23 or so pages, and the writing there is fine.
Past that, I am not entirely happy with the writing for the next eight pages or so. Before anyone says 'make it better!', I've tried, and it's perfectly readable and so on, but I am not sure I would want it to end any sample submission I send in. And beyond THAT, it's fine again, and if I ended on, say, page 56, that would end on a decent bit of description.

I realise this is quite cynical, but what would people recommend here? I think those eight pages are fine when in context - I've made them as good as I can - I just would be a little uneasy including them in any submission where they would form a large fraction of the text.

I guess my options are to stretch the 50 page limit to 56 pages, which includes those eight pages, or the three chapter option, where my concern is I'm simply far below their '... or 50 pages' suggestion.

I would welcome any thoughts. Thanks

[SJAB]

Teatime, I would send up to the nearest break around the 50 pages mark. Fingers crossed for you!

And the end of the third chapter of my latest effort I am submitting is on page 54 if that helps at all.

[John Jarrold]

I'd just send the first three chapters...

[Teatime]

Haha. God, I'm useless at decisions like this.

I don't suppose you could elaborate why, John?

Thanks.

[John Jarrold]

If they asked in the first place for three chapters, don't agonise over it, just send them...!

[Teatime]

Ok. I'm agonising over the fact that they said 'the first 50 pages or so, or three chapters.' - because three chapters only is about half of 50 pages for me! Maybe they assumed 3 chapters is about 50 pages.

Ugh. I will just send it and hope, but I do want to get things right.

[John Jarrold]

As someone said, everyone's three chapters are different. Don't agonise too much! It can paralyse you.