2.02: Sleeper

[Essie]

Just one more question - she said she'd never really been ill or anything. So can we assume that nothing has ever been able to break her skin too? Wouldn't she notice that she never cut her skin (and all these other people too)? Also didn't she have pierced ears? Just thinking aloud now ...

[pyan]

And just when were they taken over as sleepers? Can't have been too young, or vaccinations would have been a problem!

[Dave]

You haven't heard of Alien Abductions?

[Adasunshine]

Originally Posted by pyan

And just when were they taken over as sleepers? Can't have been too young, or vaccinations would have been a problem!

I didn't think that they started off as humans and were overtaken by an alien.

I was under the impression that they came to the planet and adapted themselves to the dominant species kind of like the Doctor and his Fogwatch???

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[Ursa major]

That's the impression I got, Adasunnshine. She would need other things (NI Number, etc.), but you don't need to suspend your disbelief to understand how she might have got those.

[pyan]

Originally Posted by Adasunshine

I didn't think that they started off as humans and were overtaken by an alien.

That would explain the injections...but I still think that Essie has a point, in that the invunerable skin would be noticed by anyone that had one. I cut or scratch myself many times a year...are we to believe they never did?

[Ursa major]

Originally Posted by pyan

I cut or scratch myself many times a year...are we to believe they never did?

How many people notice that, apart from you? And you don't notice it (for there is no event to notice) when you aren't cutting yourself.

I don't know how many people you work with, but could you tell who amongst them hasn't been cut during the last six months, say?

[pyan]

I get your point, Ursa...accidents do happen. But we are expected to believe that the surface persona has no inkling that they are sleepers - a concept that is surely difficult to sustain if you have an unpierceable skin.

[Ursa major]

But if your body guides you away from doing anything that might reveal that the skin is impenetrable...? Her whole body was a fake; why not her urges and underlying motivations? (And avoiding hazards is natural behaviour; it's just that we humans aren't so good at implementing this policy.)


It feels odd defending Torchwood. The second series must be better than the first!

[pyan]

Originally Posted by Ursa major

It feels odd defending Torchwood. The second series must be better than the first!

Not only defending it....but actually discussing points from it in a rational manner, without descending to vulgar abuse of the plot, characters, writing, production values, settings, etc, etc....

[Ursa major]

Originally Posted by pyan

Not only defending it....but actually discussing points from it in a rational manner, without descending to vulgar abuse of the plot, characters, writing, production values, settings, etc, etc....

Much more of this and I'll feel dirty or something.

[pyan]

Perhaps RTD is amongst us under cover, and read the hatchet job we did on the first series.....

[PTeppic]

That would be useful to some degree... we are after all a section of his audience. On the other side of the fence, are we a) his intended audience and b) a representative sample even if we are (a).

[Dave]

If I was a producer/ director I would want to read what we wrote. Some forums can be quite cruel about TV and films, and you might get a little depressed from reading them, but I think we are usually fairly balanced here.

I'm not convinced on these Sleeper arguments though. I would think that, certainly their husbands/wives, and probably some close friends, would have noticed something odd before.

[Essie]

Yep me too - combined with the fact that ther're never ill either. You certainly would notice that if you lived with someone.

As for RTD I'm not sure we are his target audience. What would you all think? I'm not sure it is Sci-fi fans though!