The Dark Knight (2008)

[ravenus]

Uhhh..if you really read The Killing Joke, the Joker doesn't do what he does to Comm. Gordon because he thinks it's funny. He is openly sadistic and wants the man to completely lose his sanity, and make the world thereby realize that anybody under a defined set of circumstances could have become the Joker. That's not a funnyman cracking a macabre joke, that's white hot rage.

[ScottSF]

Originally Posted by Harleyquin

sooo - and I'm going out on a limb here...

you've never read "Batman: year one" ???

Nolans story was heavily sourced from Millers graphic novel, the Ras Al goul story was out of an earlier account - its all about going back to basics.

I'm a big fan of Miller's interpretation of batman and I wished they took even more from Year one. My favorite scene in the Year One comics was when batman crashed that socialite party to tell all the corupt rich folks that the party was over with the light from the barbique casting an erie glow in his face. Also I wished batman begins went with a strong Sgt. Gordon rather than the whimpy but good hearted cop they made Oldman play.

I also seem to remember in the old comic batman shot joe chill with a gun point blank.

[Harleyquin]

Originally Posted by ravenus

the Joker doesn't do what he does to Comm. Gordon because he thinks it's funny. He is openly sadistic and wants the man to completely lose his sanity, and make the world thereby realize that anybody under a defined set of circumstances could have become the Joker. That's not a funnyman cracking a macabre joke, that's white hot rage.

And here in lies the the most subtle part in the story of the joker.

We know he's a failing comic, trying hard to cope when his pregnat wife buys a one way ticket on the heaven express. Is day get worse progressively ending up with el acid bath and his assertion that "anybody" given the correct circumstances will go insane.

Now as you pointed out what he does to the comish isnt funny - its sadistic.. however the REAL point is not that what he's doing is not only not out of a joke as is usual with him... but its deliberate and calculated.

The joker is insane yet demonstrates a plan that is compleatly and totaly sane, with a rationality hard to ignore... So boys and girls the thing that the killing joke asks us is not about his sadistic insane jokes - but rather if the joker is actually insane or not - all he's doing is "acting" insane to excuse his actions in a "white hot rage" and revenge against the whole world. This is the same but mirrored mental state that batman displays during his crusade which again shows the joker as being the mirror of the bat.

[idrawgirls]

I can't wait to see it come out.

[ScottSF]

I just realized that when this comes out it will be almost 20 years since Burton's re-imagining of Batman. There's a Batman and Joker movie about every 20 years. Batman: the movie 1966, Batman 1989, Dark Knight 2008. Too bad the 1943 Batman movie didn't have the joker.

[F'Lessan Amused]

i just hope that in 2028-33 doesnt have a batman vs joker scenario...let alone a batman

[Connavar]

Why the need for so much hate. If you dont like Batman just ignore him no one is forcing him upon you.


Sorry to let you down Batman is one of few comics from the early days in 30's that have survived and even dominated after 70 years old. I doubt he will die off in 20 years. Every movie will only make him stronger.

[F'Lessan Amused]

i dont hate batman..am just fed up of cheesy sequels

[Connavar]

Oh i see.

I disliked many things in Batman Begins. They got 90% of Gotham and his world wrong as you can see my other post. Making Falcone brittish is like a sin IMO.

I enjoyed it only thanks to Bale. I will enjoy the second cause of the same reason.

Only good with cheesy sequals is in this case it makes my fav hero's name stronger in maintream people eyes

[Gav]

Originally Posted by F'Lessan Amused

i just hope that in 2028-33 doesnt have a batman vs joker scenario...let alone a batman

Well that wouldn't be in character for Batman himself... The Joker being Batman's arch nemisis and all.

What I hope for is that Batman does not kill the Joker. The is completely out of character for Batman and one of the reasons I don't rate Burton's visions very highly.

[Connavar]

Originally Posted by Gav

Well that wouldn't be in character for Batman himself... The Joker being Batman's arch nemisis and all.

What I hope for is that Batman does not kill the Joker. The is completely out of character for Batman and one of the reasons I don't rate Burton's visions very highly.

What did he kill Joker then?

I never was fan of those Burton movies cause Keaton was totally wrong Batman.

Batman can never kill any villain let alone the sickest of them and the one he hates most. He is at the border line of becoming like his villains with the way he works and if he kills he will be the same as them.

[F'Lessan Amused]

theres an animated film where he kills joker..but its in th batman beyond arc...so he's about to die hisself

[ScottSF]

Originally Posted by Connavar of Rigante

Oh i see.

I disliked many things in Batman Begins. They got 90% of Gotham and his world wrong as you can see my other post. Making Falcone brittish is like a sin IMO.

I enjoyed it only thanks to Bale. I will enjoy the second cause of the same reason.

Only good with cheesy sequals is in this case it makes my fav hero's name stronger in maintream people eyes

I think I missed something because I never thought of Falcone as brittish in B.Begins. I remember the line 'ya got gutts kid' which sounds more like a generic Chicago movie thug but I haven't watch in a while. Also I think with decades worth of source material perhaps there is no difinitive version. Like the 60s Batman was probably closer to the comics at the time. I'm pretty sure that in the Bob Kane comic, batman actually shot Joe Chill point blank with a gun while wearing the cowl. re: cheezy sequels, Batman begins wasn't a sequel IMO but that may be a semantic distinction. It's not even a prequel because it's completely unrelated to Burton, et al movies. I've always linked super heroes to mythic characters. Like new movie takes on Robin hood in movie and TV crop up all the time without much fuss. I hope they don't kill Joker either; you need him out there.

[F'Lessan Amused]

"cheezy sequels, Batman begins wasn't a sequel IMO"

i wasny refering BB as being a sequel...did people forget batman forever and B&R

[Culhwch]

JoBlo.com Videos: THE DARK KNIGHT Trailer #2

Second trailer. Though it's ridiculously poor quality. The official release will be Monday.