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Lord of Winterfell · 3rd February 2005, 12:59 AM

Umm... I've read the series 4 times and have never read about a dragon beneath Winterfell. Please enlighten me.

n8smitty · 3rd February 2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord of Winterfell

Umm... I've read the series 4 times and have never read about a dragon beneath Winterfell. Please enlighten me.

I actually read a theory online at one of the GRRM weblinks. Great theory. How else could Winterfell be so warm so far North? The heat from the Dragon fuels the springs that heat the castle. There were several quotes from the book to back the theory, but I can't place them right now.

Lacedaemonian · 3rd February 2005, 02:34 AM

I read the series page to page at a frantic rate, and so excuse myself for missing what you call the 'obvious'. I would not presume so much. The dragon under Winterfell seems like a crap idea, I do not believe George would do that. But who knows other than George?

Also go easy on the racial comments - funny but utterly offensive.

n8smitty · 3rd February 2005, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lacedaemonian

I read the series page to page at a frantic rate, and so excuse myself for missing what you call the 'obvious'. I would not presume so much. The dragon under Winterfell sems like a crap idea, I do not believe George would do that. But who knows other than George?

Also go easy on the racial comments - funny but utterly offensive.

I suppose you should step into my culture then, where racial slurs don't often offend so much as bullets from a smoking gun. "Nigga" just means "dude" or "bloke." No offense meant at all.

As for the dragon, he's there, and if you don't like the idea, then don't buy book 4.

Lacedaemonian · 3rd February 2005, 03:09 AM

I will be buying book four - and there is nothing concrete about the dragon. Geysers and hot springs occur in many cold climates such as Iceland. If he writes your dragon theory in then I am sure he will do it in an excellent way. I always assumed that Bran would fly using his mind - make his spirit soar and all that.

Your smoking guns patter stinks but is funny non the less. I know that you were not being racist but still try not to use said language.

shaggydog · 3rd February 2005, 12:14 PM

i dont know anything about a Dragon in Winterfell, it seems to me that the rock is warm because of this termal waters...
As for Bran, I always thought when Dany arrives to the Wall bran will reach for one of her dragons.

AryaUnderfoot · 5th February 2005, 12:25 AM

The Dragon under Winterfell was mentioned in "A Clash of Kings." I can't say exactly what part, but I just finished re-reading it and I noticed it. As for whether or not it will come to life, who's to say? It seems that most of Old Nan's other stories are slowly coming true. However, a frozen dragon coming to life under a castle bears too much resemblance, in my mind, to Robin Hobb's "Fool's Fate."

As for Bran controlling said dragon, or any dragon for that matter, I find it doubtful. It's a little too cliché for GRRM, and besides, Bran has his wolf. He's also not the only warg; Jon is a confirmed warg, and Arya has "wolf dreams." Hopefully she'll be reunited with Nymeria at some point so that she can strengten her powers.

Lacedaemonian · 5th February 2005, 02:39 AM

Hardly a novel idea. In Arthurian legend it was said that two dragons fought underground, which was symbolic for the conflict of Britain.

hodor · 5th February 2005, 06:37 AM

Aye Lacey, and also Tad Williams wrote about a dragon under a castle. Very common idea that dates way back.

I, Brian · 5th February 2005, 01:52 PM

A dragon under Winterfell? That would be a great idea.

I don't recall explicit mention, but I did note GRRM raised the hot springs as a particular issue to take note of. Now because of this thread, I figure that must be how Daenerys can really take the Others head one, as it always seemed like her current dragons would be too small to be entirely threatening - certainly against ravening hordes of icy undead thingies.

Lacedaemonian · 5th February 2005, 03:39 PM

Her dragons are still young though. I hate the idea of the dragon under Winterfell, but the more I think about it, the more logical it is becoming. The place is in ruins now and nobody lves there. This kind of sets it up ready for the dragon rising from the ashes. I only hope that Martin writes this peice well or he could ruin the book.

n8smitty · 5th February 2005, 04:41 PM

There is no way Martin could ruin the series, unless he took until 06 to publish 4. Martin is a tactician, with skills beyond that of the greatest to ever wield a pen!

He should be the one to sing and perform that song by MC Hammer. He and he alone!

And dragons are everywhere! Be ready. And be ready for the next update by Martin to include a new excerpt from book 4, which will clearly represent Arya, the greatest plot of all in ASoIaF!!!

Winters_Sorrow · 5th February 2005, 04:43 PM

I'm glad that he's still sticking in there and adding to the book.
I don't care (much!) how long it takes as long as the finished product is as good as Storm of Swords!
What's everyone's Favourite sample so far folks?
Mine has to be Cersei's! The idea of seeing things through her eyes is scary though!

n8smitty · 5th February 2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Winters_Sorrow

I'm glad that he's still sticking in there and adding to the book.
I don't care (much!) how long it takes as long as the finished product is as good as Storm of Swords!
What's everyone's Favourite sample so far folks?
Mine has to be Cersei's! The idea of seeing things through her eyes is scary though!

Cersei's sample sucked frankly. She so pathetic now without daddy. She's just a hottie.

The best sample has clearly been Dany's: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...645883-4328742
I think her dragon is framed by the Ghscari for the death of the child. Hard to say though. Where is book 4, dang-it!

"The Prophet" was great too! The dude drowns people and then whips out CPR!!! How epic to know that he's mastered CPR!!! My friend Lucas is also a master of CPR. Who's gonna win the Kingsmoot is my question???

jnr_turtle · 6th February 2005, 08:47 AM

On the topic of dragons, in the 'Arms of the Kraken' novella about the choosing of the next King of the Iron Islands, Euron Crowseye comes back with a horn that supposedly can control dragons.

Two questions:
1. Do you think it was because of Euron that Dany's dragons are starting to be unruly or is it just Dany losing control of the dragons?
2. Is the horn the real deal?

Well, imho I doubt that the horn would be fake after such an introduction but I'm rather skeptical about how far you'd be able to control dragons...

I liked Cersei's sample if only just because I'd see things from her PoV although I agree she's still pathetic. The end of it was definitely very good though.

Do you think the new mystery PoV will actually be a character we know, or a completely new one? Eg the Hound as opposed to some new random person in Dorne.

3rd February 2005, 12:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
Lord of Winterfell Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 44	Re: He updated! Umm... I've read the series 4 times and have never read about a dragon beneath Winterfell. Please enlighten me.

3rd February 2005, 02:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,357	Re: He updated! I read the series page to page at a frantic rate, and so excuse myself for missing what you call the 'obvious'. I would not presume so much. The dragon under Winterfell seems like a crap idea, I do not believe George would do that. But who knows other than George? Also go easy on the racial comments - funny but utterly offensive. Last edited by Lacedaemonian; 3rd February 2005 at 04:05 AM.

3rd February 2005, 03:09 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,357	Re: He updated! I will be buying book four - and there is nothing concrete about the dragon. Geysers and hot springs occur in many cold climates such as Iceland. If he writes your dragon theory in then I am sure he will do it in an excellent way. I always assumed that Bran would fly using his mind - make his spirit soar and all that. Your smoking guns patter stinks but is funny non the less. I know that you were not being racist but still try not to use said language.

3rd February 2005, 12:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
shaggydog soy la muerte y te quiero Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 101	Re: He updated! i dont know anything about a Dragon in Winterfell, it seems to me that the rock is warm because of this termal waters... As for Bran, I always thought when Dany arrives to the Wall bran will reach for one of her dragons.

5th February 2005, 12:25 AM	#22 (permalink)
AryaUnderfoot AryaUnderfoot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 881	Re: He updated! The Dragon under Winterfell was mentioned in "A Clash of Kings." I can't say exactly what part, but I just finished re-reading it and I noticed it. As for whether or not it will come to life, who's to say? It seems that most of Old Nan's other stories are slowly coming true. However, a frozen dragon coming to life under a castle bears too much resemblance, in my mind, to Robin Hobb's "Fool's Fate." As for Bran controlling said dragon, or any dragon for that matter, I find it doubtful. It's a little too cliché for GRRM, and besides, Bran has his wolf. He's also not the only warg; Jon is a confirmed warg, and Arya has "wolf dreams." Hopefully she'll be reunited with Nymeria at some point so that she can strengten her powers.

5th February 2005, 02:39 AM	#23 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,357	Re: He updated! Hardly a novel idea. In Arthurian legend it was said that two dragons fought underground, which was symbolic for the conflict of Britain.

5th February 2005, 06:37 AM	#24 (permalink)
hodor Erikson is GOD > period Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 560	Re: He updated! Aye Lacey, and also Tad Williams wrote about a dragon under a castle. Very common idea that dates way back.

5th February 2005, 01:52 PM	#25 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,404 Blog Entries: 1	Re: He updated! A dragon under Winterfell? That would be a great idea. I don't recall explicit mention, but I did note GRRM raised the hot springs as a particular issue to take note of. Now because of this thread, I figure that must be how Daenerys can really take the Others head one, as it always seemed like her current dragons would be too small to be entirely threatening - certainly against ravening hordes of icy undead thingies.

5th February 2005, 03:39 PM	#26 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,357	Re: He updated! Her dragons are still young though. I hate the idea of the dragon under Winterfell, but the more I think about it, the more logical it is becoming. The place is in ruins now and nobody lves there. This kind of sets it up ready for the dragon rising from the ashes. I only hope that Martin writes this peice well or he could ruin the book.

5th February 2005, 04:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
n8smitty Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24	Re: He updated! There is no way Martin could ruin the series, unless he took until 06 to publish 4. Martin is a tactician, with skills beyond that of the greatest to ever wield a pen! He should be the one to sing and perform that song by MC Hammer. He and he alone! And dragons are everywhere! Be ready. And be ready for the next update by Martin to include a new excerpt from book 4, which will clearly represent Arya, the greatest plot of all in ASoIaF!!! Last edited by n8smitty; 5th February 2005 at 04:41 PM. Reason: shut it!

5th February 2005, 04:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
Winters_Sorrow Unreg. Mutant Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,708	Re: He updated! I'm glad that he's still sticking in there and adding to the book. I don't care (much!) how long it takes as long as the finished product is as good as Storm of Swords! What's everyone's Favourite sample so far folks? Mine has to be Cersei's! The idea of seeing things through her eyes is scary though!

6th February 2005, 08:47 AM	#30 (permalink)
jnr_turtle The Eternal Hedonist Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 45	Re: He updated! On the topic of dragons, in the 'Arms of the Kraken' novella about the choosing of the next King of the Iron Islands, Euron Crowseye comes back with a horn that supposedly can control dragons. Two questions: 1. Do you think it was because of Euron that Dany's dragons are starting to be unruly or is it just Dany losing control of the dragons? 2. Is the horn the real deal? Well, imho I doubt that the horn would be fake after such an introduction but I'm rather skeptical about how far you'd be able to control dragons... I liked Cersei's sample if only just because I'd see things from her PoV although I agree she's still pathetic. The end of it was definitely very good though. Do you think the new mystery PoV will actually be a character we know, or a completely new one? Eg the Hound as opposed to some new random person in Dorne.

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