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Old 9th January 2008, 08:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How to write...

Has anyone read his instructional books on how to write sf and fantasy and characters and viewpoints? Are they good do they give any good pointers and guides?
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Old 9th January 2008, 09:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I've read a couple books on writing, nothign specific dealing with SF. Largely they basically say just got off your butt and write. Apparently many people waste a lot of time reading books, as I do, and don't actually write anything. If you read any sort of book or even watch a movie here or there, your brain should naturally understand basic story structure. Just start writing. Whether you want to out line it or not is up to you.
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Old 9th January 2008, 09:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have the Orson Scott Card's How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy. It's not bad. I also have similar books by Christopher Evans, Lisa Tuttle, Brian Stableford and Bob Shaw. The best advice from any of them is from Shaw's: the only qualification for writing science fiction is to have read lots of science fiction. Having said that, it's worth getting at least one book on the subject, if only to learn what the common mistakes and pitfalls are.
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Old 27th January 2008, 06:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have the Orson Scott Card's How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy. It's not bad. I also have similar books by Christopher Evans, Lisa Tuttle, Brian Stableford and Bob Shaw. The best advice from any of them is from Shaw's: the only qualification for writing science fiction is to have read lots of science fiction. Having said that, it's worth getting at least one book on the subject, if only to learn what the common mistakes and pitfalls are.
Funny, I once read that Michael Moorcock recommends that sf/fantasy writers not read much in the genre because it will put them at risk of falling into genre conventions. He says he reads mostly other genres.

That aside, I've read How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy and have it on my bookshelf. It's been a while, but I thought it was good, and I think it won a nonfiction Nebula or Hugo award or something, too.
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Old 27th January 2008, 08:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have not read either - but I have heard Stephen Kings book on the same topic is better
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Old 27th January 2008, 09:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I seem to remember flipping through a copy at a library at some point. *looks at picture of cover...* Yup. But I don't remember it. I've just stuck it on reserve at our library, so hopefully I'll have a better response in a few days.

He's also got some good articles up on his website about the basics of writing.

I actually lean a little toward Moorcock on the issue of reading a lot of the genre you write in. A writer ought to keep tabs on what's been done, but it's also very important to read outside the genre to get a good crossflow of inspiration.
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Old 27th January 2008, 09:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: How to write...

I keep thinking that I need to read more. I also need to keep my notes on my inspirations in order. Personally, I want a book on writing fantasy; perhaps it would stimulate my rubbish writing. I plan to write some rubbish to get some impulses out of the way and then look at the results for help on then writing something good.
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Old 28th January 2008, 08:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: How to write...

If you don't read other SFF books, you risk rehashing a well-worn idea that you believed very original.

Moorcock started writing at the end of the 50s. There have been lots of novels since, including his; lots of ideas have been exploited to death.


And books about writing are useful: the more you know the techniques, they more you can consciously transgress them to obtain a particular effect.
In fact, the art of writing has its own rules (like cinema, graphic novels, and music); an experienced author can twist these rules without looking like a dilettante.

But that's okay if most aspiring writers don't know zilch about their own art and can't write professionally. It helps the 5% who know to surf upon the slush.

Knowing the rules and writing the proverbial one million words is what we need to learn the art. Like in every art, professionalism is theory plus practice.


To answer the question, the book by Orson Scott Card is interesting.
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Old 28th January 2008, 10:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The most interesting thing about books on writing, to me, is how much they contradict one another's rules. One will lay down a few absolute rules and another will lay down another set that transgresses the first one's rules, and so on. One will tell you that outlining is essential, and another will tell you it hinders writing.

Mostly, I think the utility of books on writing is that they make you think about how to write and the techniques available. A good idea is to read a number of them and pick which parts make the most sense for your own way of life.

I remember reading one book (I can't remember which one) that said that one thing every writer must absolutely have is a set period of time each day set aside for writing when they can close themselves in a room and just write. Well, I have a small apartment and two very young kids. That's not going to happen. My life is too chaotic. But that doesn't mean that writing is impossible. Some people thrive on chaos.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 08:12 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, I'm wading through it. I like his illustration of how his ideas form, and his comment in the first part of the book about SF&F being a ghetto that's bigger on the inside than the outside. It's giving me some pause for thought on where I want to be classed eventually; in the general fiction or the SF&F section...

As to reading outside the genre versus reading inside it- he says you ought to read to help avoid the cliches, but at the same time, if you look at his biography, he's also well-read outside the genre himself. So there's a balance needed.

Any thoughts on his loose definition of SF as being about the "nuts and bolts", about the mechanics of space & space travel, essentially...?
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