Why say Tyrion's a Targ?

[DeannaBelle]

Whose theory was this? Why do you believe this?

[Lubbock]

Well i got this theory there are so many clues hidden around that he was special and not a Lannister, ill just post a few of them, there are more than this but with company christmas party hangovers me brain is not computing.

Its Tyrion and The Red Viper talking

Red Viper "It was when i visited Casterly Rock with my mother, her consort, and my sister Elia. I was, oh, fourteen, fifthteen, thereabouts, Elia was a year older. Your brother and sister were eight or nine, as i recall and you had just been born,"
Tyrion "A Queer time to come visiting."His mother had died giving him birth, so the Martells would have found the Rock deep in Mourning.....

So why would the Martells come to visit at the worst possible time, there was bad blood yet between the families. So perheps Tyrion was special.

They even describe a omen that said that Tyrion´s birth would bring Famine, plague and war, and winter and the long that night that never ends and the Viper adds, ohh and the fall of your father.

So as we all know some of these things have already come true and could Tyrion be a bastard son og Taegaryen dynasty

Jon is chatting with Ygritte.
Page 599 in A Storm of Swords :Steel and Snow

Jon Snow "No he Thought, The Wall protects the realm. From the others.....and from you and your kind as well. Sweetling.
Ygritte "I had another friend of mine who dreamed of Dragons. A Dwarf. he told me....."

This is just a few, im sure Boaz will fill in the blanks.

[DeannaBelle]

Who do people propose Tywin's wife, what's-her-name (Johanna?), was sleeping with?

[Charming Serpent]

If Tyrion turns out to be a Targaryen I will gag, swear, possible vomiting and organize a book burning fire in my backyard.

[JDP]

I dislike the Tyrion = Targ theory.

Firstly, I think it's way more likely that Jon is a Targ (R+L=J). This seems to me to be set up way better; if Tyrion is a closet Targ too, that seems a bit too much of the same thing. I know, I know, the dragon has three heads, blah, blah, blah... Tyrion = Targ would be weak.

Also, I think the Tywin/Tyrion friction was a brilliant storyline; IMO it's infinitely more powerful if Tyrion really is Tywin's son.

[TK-421]

I let Boaz defend this theory that has some things going for it.

But, Tywin, Jaime and Tyrion himself all know that he is too much of a Lannister to be anything else.

[KiwiBird]

because besides hot pie being aegon, it is nothing short of the latest fab. anyone who is not on board get boo'ed and is called a nerd. (among nerds)

[DeannaBelle]

Yes, I agree on the brilliancy of Tywin/Tyrion.

Some people mentioned Tyrion being illegitamate, so I though I'd hear their cases. However, to read that in the book would be no fun.

[Boaz]

Relax. I'm here.

I don't think I'm the first to offer the idea that Tyrion is a Targaryen. But I might be the first to attempt to show how this may be. My hypothesis is...

Aerys, the Mad King, and Tywin, his Hand, seemed to have had a contentious relationship. Tywin clearly showed for twenty years that he was the most capable man in the realm, while Aerys revealed his cruelty and jealousy over Tywin's abilities. Once, when Tywin was off on the King's business, Aerys took Joanna to bed. Willing or unwilling, it does not matter. We know Aerys raped his own Queen/sister. Joanna never spoke of this to Tywin because she knew about the Reynes, the Castameres, and Tywin's father's mistress. She knew that Tywin would not stand for his honor to be besmirched nor stand for his wife to be raped. But alone, House Lannister was no match for the Iron Throne... and Joanna would hate to bring about the destruction of her own house and the murders of her husband, son, and daughter.

Mayhaps, she tried to cleanse herself with moontea. But we know that Tyrion is hard to kill. Mayhaps the moontea malformed his body. Mayhaps Joanna would have smothered Tyrion in his crib and no one would have been wiser. Regardless, Joanna died in childbirth.

Tyrion's hair is so blond, it's almost white... like a Targaryen's would be. Tyrion's eyes are mismatched... one green (like Cersei's) and one black. Arianne notes that Darkstar's eyes appear black, but they're really purple. Maybe Tyrion's other eye is like that.

Tyrion has a fascination with dragons. Tyrion saved KL by using fire... the named champion of Aerys. Aemon called Tyrion "a giant among us." Tywin constantly refered to Jaime as "my son." Tywin refused to give Casterly Rock to Tyrion... if Tywin had any knowledge of anyone besides himself being Tyrion's father, he'd have had Tyrion killed out of hand... no pun intended.

When Aerys refused to marry Rhaegar to Cersei, he called Tywin his servant.

Tyrion told Jon that "all dwarfs are bastards in their father's eyes."

Rumors circulated amongst the small folk of KL that Tyrion planned to assume the Kingship.

Tyrion liked sitting on the throne.

If Tyrion is not really Cerse's brother, but half-bastard-brother, can he still be the valonqar? Tyrion's Targaryen heritage lends believability to Jaime's role as valonqar.

The last and best evidence for Tyrion to be Aery's bastard is that I want him to be a Targaryen.

So ultimately, there's not a shred of proof. I'm just trying to see how this could happen.

By the way, Kiwi's right. We defenders of irrational and unsubstantiated proposals tend to be fairly obstinate and vociferous.

[Tysha]

Aerys, the Mad King, and Tywin, his Hand, seemed to have had a contentious relationship. Once, when Tywin was off on the King's business, Aerys took Joanna to bed. Joanna never spoke of this to Tywin because she knew about the Reynes, the Castameres, and Tywin's father's mistress.
And that how the twins came to this world. Someone (some lady) said that Tyrion is much more Tywin's son than Jaime, and we can see that too. Jaime and Cersei are hot tempered as a dragons and have that Targaryen madness to (incest, throwing children from a tower and Cersei is quite mad, don't you agree)..
Well Boaz, I'm learning from the best

[Boaz]

Tysha, you stole my thunder! The same thought occurred to me while rereading Jaime's conversations with his aunt Genna. I've been trying to find other references for this, but as of yet to no avail.

Sooooooo.....

What if Jaime and Cersei are Targaryen bastards and Tyrion is Tywin's only true born son?

Jaime and Cersei have the incestuous desire of some (if not all) Targaryens.

Cersei is acting more and more like Viserys and Aerys with each passing day.

Tyrion's becoming a kinslayer would only be helping him to catch up with Jaime... who slew his own father, Aerys.

This one needs more time to cook...

[viZion]

I firmly believe that every character in the series is a Targaryen bastard.

[Tysha]

"Tyrion's becoming a kinslayer would only be helping him to catch up with Jaime... who slew his own father, Aerys."
GOOD ONE BOAZ!
Aerys wanted Jaime on his Kingsguard.. to keep him close... hmm
And there was this Harrenhal incident - where Aerys is sending Jaime back to Kings Landing.. I didn't quite undersood what happened. Maybe it's somehow related to our crazy theory

[viZion]

Originally Posted by Tysha

Aerys wanted Jaime on his Kingsguard.. to keep him close... hmm

Wasn't it Cersei who got Jaime his Kinsguard position? I always got the impression that Aerys couldn't have cared less about Jaime until Cersei did whatever she did to make Aerys take notice. At that point he thought it was a pretty neat idea to screw over Lord Tywin by taking away Jaime. I could have it wrong though.

[DeannaBelle]

Haha,so they inhereted some incestuous gene? There's a good one!