Why say Tyrion's a Targ?

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by Lubbock

The mad rantings of a Dane

Now, that's a great signature or flourish to your posts! To post or not to post, that is the question.

I think the idea of Cersei and Jaime being bastards is fun, but not realistic. Oh, I'd love to read this plot twist in the upcoming books, but I don't think it's gonna happen. If it was true, I think Maggy's remarks to Cersei would have been the perfect point for Martin to introduce this. Also, if C&J are the bastards and not Tyrion, then the chances for Tyrion to become a head of the dragon are slim to none... and I think Martin has been pointing that way for a long time.

[Mechaniik]

So wait a second. I'm having trouble keeping up. How many characters so far are Targ bastards/ baby Aegon:

Tyrion
Cersei
Jaime
Jon
Edric Storm
Gerold Dayne
Varys (WTF!!!)
Quentyn Martell


Any more I should know about?

[Boaz]

Actually we don't know of any Targ bastards. Dany is the only known living Targ after Aemon's demise. But since the dragon must have three heads, we surmise that there are more Targs, half-Targs, false Targs, and bastard Targs out there.

There is conjecture on Aegon's existence. The best hypothesis is that he is actually Young Griff. On the other hand, Young Griff may turn out to actually be a mummer pretending to be a Targ. Other possibilities for current aliases for Aegon include Quentyn, Sarella, Alleras, Jon, Aurane Waters, and Gerold Dayne... and these have either been disproven or are flimsy at best.

I think most people agree that Jon is an extremely likely candidate to be Rhaegar's son, either legally or naturally.

Other than Aegon and Jon, there are no strong candidates... there is only guesswork, supposition, and hope. Writing any more on this subject for you is like the blind leading the blind.

I personally champion Tyrion as a Targaryen bastard. I think he's a fun guess. I feel there are a few passages that could be interpreted to say Tyrion is a Targ bastard if you wanted to interpret them that way. I think GRRM will throw us a major plot twist in his story. I very much want to believe that he might inherit the throne.

Varys is fun to speculate about, but other than his name there is nothing.

As for Cersei, Jaime, and the others, there is less proof than for Varys.

[the smiling weirwood]

I think Daenerys is the last Targaryen, the dragons woke for her and her alone. Simply because there must be three heads does not mean there are three Targaryens by birth. Aegon's sisters were his wives as well, any husbands Dany take will be called Targaryens also.

[Tansy]

I seem to remember a lot of references about Tyrion being Tywin's only child and Cersei and Jaime not being. I was reading through this thread and about to say this, but I see others have beaten me to it Doesn't Cersei have silvery blonde hair? If Aerys was their father it would certainly add a bit of a twist.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

The reference you're thinking of is Jaime speaking with his aunt (whose name escapes me) at the Siege of Riverrun. She says "Tyrion is Twyins son, not you". Taken literally it could mean exactly what it looks like, but in context its a reference to Jaime being more like his mother than Tywin, and Tyrion being brooding, intelligent, and vengeful like their mutual father.

[Boaz]

Tywin's sister, Jaime's aunt, Emmon's wife... Genna.

It is difficult at this stage to accurately seperate the red herrings and wishful thinkings from actual clues.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Why has this theory not died a horrible, ugly, twisted, noseless death? Why?

So many perfectly good and supported theories have been left on the forgotten roadside of the superhighway that is public acceptance, while this idea continues to find purchase in the sheltered harbor of scurrilous speculation....

Every time this idea is brought up, a noseless dwarf dies.

[YOSSARIAN]

Confession time:the constant proposition of secret Targs had burned me out of posting here for a while. Not because I thought it was stupid, but it was a constant reminder that we all need a new book to talk about. My Targ List:
1)Jon Snow. Thouroughly convinced he's Rhaegar's son.
2)Tyrion. Not convinced, am intrigued. Good chance he's not Tywin's. Parentage might be cause of Ser Ilyn's tonguelessness.
3)Aegon. Not alive. Someone will pretend to be him. Mummer's dragon of prophecy.
4)Littlefinger. Secret Targ loyalist. Seeming ambitiousness not for self, but for Dany. Is working on using Highgarden (once staunch Targ loyalists) to aid him. Have an intricate theory to support this claim. Theory is very long, and if one part is wrong it all falls apart. Involves Faceless Men, Aegon the Conqurer and/or his immediate ancestors, and the first "gift". Also the Citadel, Varys, and Illyrio. And Bloodraven. Will keep it to myself and if I am right will be keep satisfaction silent.
5) Too tired for complete sentences. Goodnight!

[Squire Dalbridge]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I just had a thought regarding Azor Ahai. Supposedly he was the legendary warrior to defeat the Others last time around, right? Well do you think his name is just a name or do you think it might have a significant meaning if translated into Westerosi? I dunno.

But his first and last names both begin with the letter A. If he is to reappear, will he have a name that translates as Azor Ahai? Will this new Azor Ahai's name have the same letters beginning his/her first and last names?

If so, then Jon Snow/Stark and Stannis Baratheon are out. I'm not an expert on vocal sounds, but the letter T is only a soft D... this might put Daenerys Targaryen into the running for Azor Ahai... we'd just need to see that the original name was Taenerys (much like Taena) but that it was hardened to fit in with Westerosi pronounciation.

Brandon Stark, Samwell Tarly and Aegon Targaryen do not work either.

Tyrion Lannister does not work. But if Tyrion was a Targaryen, then I confess that Tyrion Targaryen does work. Mayhaps TT=AA reborn.

I'm still new here (first post) but I'd like to say that the names
John Snow and Azor Ahai
are both eight letters long (4+4=4+4) and we all know Rheagar beleived his son was the Targ of prophecy.

As an added bonus John has the sword and the skills to defeat others.

[Squire Dalbridge]

I didn't see that idea represented on this thread so I figured it was valid.

[Hilarious Joke]

Well its actually Jon Snow . But welcome, Squire, and thanks for your input! I can't help but agree with you that Jon is probably the reborn Azor Ahai.

[Squire Dalbridge]

Argh! good catch on the spelling. It sure looks like he is but only time will tell.

[Hilarious Joke]

Hey Squire you should post a hello in the introductions thread! And also in the 'Whose your favourite character from ASOIAF?' thread. In fact just post in every thread ever.

[pan naranus]

All prophecies and omens point Dany as Azor Ahai.
(And this has nothing to do with this thread so...)