SPOILERS: Theory on Jon

[The Other]

Spoiler Warning.

As I see it, the story of Jon heritage is a mystery that would be solved sooner rather than later. His relationship with Dany (if there is any) may be revealed through other characters involved with each respective person. As most of you are aware, Dany is travelling with Baristan Selmy, a respected warrior and former knight of the Kingsguard.

My theory is that the role of the Kingsguard has a greater importance than one might originally believe. As it happened 3 out of the seven Kingsguard were present at the tower where Ned found Lyanna. One of the more common rumours floating around is "Why would there be Kingsguard, if there aren't any Kings or royalty to defend?" One possibility is that Jon was indeed the son of Rhaegar and were placed there to defend him (and Lyanna) from harm.

Selmy himself if a crucial role in this plot as throughout ASOS, Barristan frequently recalls memories of Rhaegar to Dany who is interested in he Mysterious brother. A member of the Kingsguard also defend the Kings secrets as well as his life. Rhaegar, as the heir to the throne may have declared the Kingsguard, the defenders of his secret and trusted his most loyal of them to protect what was most important to him.

Just my 2c. for now. I may make some more stuff up later.

[Max Clegane]

Originally Posted by cercar

I've given this post a lot of thought and posted on a few other forums about it. There is still Maester Aemon up at the wall. He probably knows what happened to Rhaegal and Lyanna. I don't know if he had left the court to study to be a maester before all this happened. He explains it in a game of thrones but i can't remember the passage. Anyway that would make Jon and himself related so that may be why he took such a shine to him.

Uh, yeah. Maester Aemon left court a long, LONG time before the Rhaegar/Lyanna thing. He's like, a hundred... or as Lord Mormont put it, "...by this time Aemon had forged a half-dozen links of his maester's chain and NO I still hadn't been born yet." Best figuring for the Old Bear's age is around 60-70, which for medieval times is incredibly old. Aemon is freaky old for OUR time, much less in the days before proper sanitation.

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK. So, I'm counting on learning some info from Maester Aemon, but I really don't think he knows Jon's true parentage. Ten to one it comes out from either Howland Reed or Bran through some vision or another he gets.

[I, Brian]

Good call The Other - and welcome to the chronicles network.

Certainly Barristan has been placed in a very key position to influence events - he could well know the secret.

I still hold out that Maester Aemon represents more pictures of the puzzle left to fit together - old he may be - but this makes it all the more significant in that he can offer information and viewpoints not covered by the younger characters.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

I still hold out that Maester Aemon represents more pictures of the puzzle left to fit together - old he may be - but this makes it all the more significant in that he can offer information and viewpoints not covered by the younger characters.

Let's just hope he lives long enough to pass on his wisdom. He's actually one of my favorite characters.

[I, Brian]

"pieces" not "pictures" of the puzzle - I should post less when tired.

And, yes - Maester Aemon is quite enigmatic.

[Frey Slayer]

Originally Posted by Max Clegane

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK. So, I'm counting on learning some info from Maester Aemon, but I really don't think he knows Jon's true parentage. Ten to one it comes out from either Howland Reed or Bran through some vision or another he gets.

Without going back and doing any data verification....do you think its possible that Benjen holds the key? I agree that at some point the truth must come out, but I cant see who it will be right now. Perhaps Varys? Maybe at some point he will bump into Danaerys? The Dunk & Egg stories brought out a lot how Egg was on some level physiologically different than Dunk (withstanding the heat..etc), perhaps if Jon meets Danaerys and there is some sort of interaction with the dragons?
Well, its all speculation at this point... but its fun!

[Lord Snow]

I myself think that Jon is Ned's son.It might be that Jon's mother died and she was Ned's true love,and it hurts him to think of her.As for Ned slipping on his honor,I think even great men can fall low at times.There are many other things there i won't go into now,but that's my thought.

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by Lord Snow

I myself think that Jon is Ned's son.It might be that Jon's mother died and she was Ned's true love,and it hurts him to think of her.As for Ned slipping on his honor,I think even great men can fall low at times.There are many other things there i won't go into now,but that's my thought.

Hoorah! Someone who agrees with me! I'm in the Ned-as-Jon's-father camp, too, and it is definitely the minority around here...

[pyromancer]

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK

If the the vision in the house of the undying is true, Jon is not, his name, but something to conseal who he is. When Dany looks into a room she sees the red weddding and then sees rhaegar + Lyanna with a baby. the name escape me.

[Culhwch]

I thought she saw Rhaegar and Elia in the Red Keep, with baby Aegon (silver-haired, if I recall correctly?). But then I could be wrong. It's been known to happen, from time to time....

[Raven]

No, Culhwch is right. GRRM has confirmed that the three in that vision are Rhaegar, Elia, and Aegon. Moreover, Aegon cannot be Jon because he is too old.

[LadyFel]

The only reference I sort of linked with Jon in that scene was when Rheagar says 'There is another, and his is the Song of Ice and Fire'...I just keep going back to that statement and can't help thinking it's got to be Jon...If he was really R&L's son, there's part of me that thinks Rheagar sees it almost as a duty as well as a pleasure to link up with someone from house Stark...?

[Culhwch]

Going back to the passage in question, it can't be Jon because Rhaegar actually says it's Aegon. And LadyFel, the actual quote is:

'He [Aegon] has a song... He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.'

And then goes on to say:

'There must be one more... The dragon has three heads.'

You must have muddled up the two... But either way, the poppet ain't Jon.

[LadyFel]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

And then goes on to say:

'There must be one more... The dragon has three heads.'

Dats der bunny...my mistake, I meant this quote refers to Jon...

[Blue Mythril]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

Going back to the passage in question, it can't be Jon because Rhaegar actually says it's Aegon. And LadyFel, the actual quote is:

'He [Aegon] has a song... He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.'

And then goes on to say:

'There must be one more... The dragon has three heads.'

You must have muddled up the two... But either way, the poppet ain't Jon.

See that's the thing which threw me... It's all well and good, except Aegon's very much dead...

Well, I guess we'll just have to find out for ourselves seeing as Feast is finally finished