SPOILERS: Theory on Jon

[hodor]

The idea of predominant genetic appearances have come up more than once in this book. Baratheon, Lannister, Stark, and Targeryan to name the most mentioned. There is something here. Or is there not. I believe it is both. I believe the author is driving us somewhere with this as it has been brought up more than once. I believe that the Targeryan traits shall remain strong... and the Baratheon as well... there involvement outside of marriage, now that's a toss-up. Both families could have gone outside of marriage to produce bastards; the only question in my mind is the predominance of Stark genes.

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by Raven

Targaryen traits have been shown (in The Hedge Knight) to be recessive under the right conditions - Baelor Breakspear had neither silver hair nor purple eyes.

I don't know - the one Targaryen whose true identity needs to be hidden just happens to be born with none of the Targaryen traits? That's one hell of a coincidence. Plus, Stark traits can also be shown to be recessive - more so than Targaryens. Of Ned's five trueborn children, only one has Stark traits, the others all take after their mother. That's eighty percent recessive. So I'm sticking with Ned as Jon's father, or at the least, his father not being Rhaegar.

[Raven]

Culhwch - see other thread for my comments on this. One of Rhaegar's two children didn't look like him, for one thing: for another, 'dominance' and 'recessiveness' in Westeros work basically as GRRM wants them to work.

[hodor]

Aye the only time gene dominance has been referred to was in Targeryan (incest) and Baratheon situations. Nobody ever talks about Targaryan genes outside of that nor Baratheon outside of Robert.

[WinterIsComing]

The wall wont be standing when Dany comes...so Jon will be released from his oath. The watch will be no more.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

Plus, Stark traits can also be shown to be recessive - more so than Targaryens. Of Ned's five trueborn children, only one has Stark traits, the others all take after their mother. That's eighty percent recessive. So I'm sticking with Ned as Jon's father, or at the least, his father not being Rhaegar.

As I've said before, just because one out of five Stark children were born with Stark traits from Ned, doesn't mean that the first and only child borne by Lyanna wouldn't bear the same traits. Genetics don't stand in line and get picked by the team leader, with the weakest player being picked last.

[Raven]

WinterIsComing: the NW oath says nothing about the Wall. The Wall is a tool they use to fulfil their oath, not the oath itself. The NW oath is to protect the realm, and that remains whether the Wall does or not.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by WinterIsComing

The wall wont be standing when Dany comes...so Jon will be released from his oath. The watch will be no more.

$10 says the Others are already past the Wall before Danaerys gets involved.

[AryaUnderfoot]

I see your bet, I, Brian, and I raise you a shiny nickel.

[red_temple]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

I see your bet, I, Brian, and I raise you a shiny nickel.

I call foul!!!! Minimum raise is the amount of the previous bet.

[I, Brian]

Minimum bet is a shekel.

[AryaUnderfoot]

But shiny nickels are so pretty! How can you resist the shiny nickel?

[red_temple]

I suppose it depends on *how* shiny it is. Is it average shiny or really shiny?


Although I'd have to admit a shekel would be really cool.....

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by red_temple

I suppose it depends on *how* shiny it is. Is it average shiny or really shiny?


Although I'd have to admit a shekel would be really cool.....

I'm talking magpie shiny... oh, and shekels are worth very little, aren't they?

Why not start it all off with a Valar Morghulis coin? I'd love to get my hands on one of those.

[red_temple]

Well, if you ever do get your hands on one of those coins, make sure you let me know. Then I'll make sure that I never, never p!ss you off...