Unoriginal Hollywood

[unclejack]

Actually Connaver, I have the exact opposite opinion. First of all, I got into reading comic books because I became such a fan of the comic book movies that were comin out like Spiderman one and two. My point being I've only read about the storylines in regards to venom and the symbiote in the marvel universe articles on the marvel website and haven't read the direct issues. I'm more familiar with what has happened in the last two years in the comic book world than anything else so for all I know you could have a valid point, not having read the issues myself I don't know how accurately or innacurately the movies portrayed those storylines and characters. But I say that my opinion is opposite because of this....you say mainstream comic fans are lucky because they don't know what is bein ruined but as a mainstream comc fan I have to say that right now I like the Spiderman movies more than I like the spiderman comic books. For anyone who keeps up with what is goin on in the marvel universe, you know that everything has gone to crap, especially when it comes to spiderman. Here's a brief recap...A school or somethin gets blown up and kills a bunch of kids and superheros are blamed for it so superhero registration laws are passed and all superheros must reveal their identities and superpowers to the governement and the world. Two different sides arise...registration superheros and anti registration superheros..the issues are named the civil war issues. You have Tony Stark/Iron Man heading up the registration side and Captain America (until he gets shot) being the main character in the anti-registration side. Peter parker sides with Tony Stark and reveals his identity to the world until Stark betrays his trust and he flees and becomes a fugitive hunted by stark and other superheros. Then, the kingpin hires a sniper to kill peter but the bullet misses and hits aunt may and she gets put in the hospital....okay so here's where I rant......For the past several issues we have been reading about Peter Parker whinin about how Aunt May doesn't deserve this and life is unfair and runnin around in the black suit takin his aggression out on criminals and to be honest it is really gettin old!! The basic gist is this, spiderman comics are on the verge of bein ruined as far as I'm concerned, maybe the movies will bring to life the old storylines that have some quality because what's goin on now is boring and depressing.
I think the whole civil war thing is really stupid anyway but I think spiderman comics have suffered from it more than any other comic book. Marvel comics are very different from Dc comics because marvel fluctuates and changes storrylines and characters very rapidly, I like Dc because the characters stay the same, they don't compromise the integrity of the characters that we all love.

[Connavar]

I started reading comics for real in 2005 cause i liked Hellboy and Sin City movies . First it was only adult comics like Hellblazer,SC,100 Bullets then i read Batman The Dark Returns,Batman Year One,The Long Halloween ,The Dark Victory. I have read almost every Batman comics since mid 80's now :P

Not all comics movies i saw before i read the comic version.



I agree with you about Civil War, i havent read MU comics since then. Spidey was my second fav superhero comic then CW ruined spidey and Peter....

Liking the spidey movies more i can agree with the first two. They were pretty good. The thread is bad IMO too many stories at once. Ruined Venom,Symbiot.


Most superhero movies i judge like i was someone that have never read the comics before. Its either Spidey 1-2 good or horrible ala DD,Elektra,FF etc

Batman Begins it was a good movie if you judge as nun fan. As Batman fanboy i disliked many things. The greatest martial arts superhero of them all and i couldnt see him in the action scenes in the movie cause of the horrible shaky camera..

Spidey 1-2 was good both in nun comic eyes and my spidey fan eyes. Then Spidey 3, only good thing was really Sandman was done well.

[Delvo]

I've found movies based on comic books to be better than the comic books. Comic book writers evidently don't know how to stick to a good premise and not go all bonko with it.

For example, after seeing the first movie, I thought the X-Men stories were about people with abnormal and sometimes scary traits, and a society still populated mostly by normals, and the struggle to figure out how (and if) they could fit together. This was compelling stuff, and a brilliant way to set up a familiar-but-fascinatingly-different universe that could produce story after story with just that one little deviation from reality. But then I started reading some character histories at Marvel's website, and they're all over the map and falling off the edge of the world with all sorts of wacky stuff... a nonsensical and contextless "Phoenix force" appearing for no reason at an outlandish time and place and making bargains that make no sense, suspended animation pods at the bottom of the sea, a secret space station and casual travel to and from it, somebody turning an adult into an infant and then back again (minus some years), mutants losing their powers or identities or other defining traits (like Wolverine's adamantium and "claws") and (sometimes) getting them back, superpowers from other sources having nothing to do with mutantism like ancient mystical crystals, people dying and turning out not dead or coming back to life, Magneto being shown using powers he's not supposed to have that make him a god and delete the whole concept of different mutants having different powers and limits, time travel, alternate reality incursions and casual travel between multiple "dimensions", evil twins/clones/copies/fakes, aliens, soap-opera surprise blood relations, pointless crossovers with unrelated non-X superheroes from different fictional worlds... such disjointed out-of-nowhere-and-over-the-top silliness happening all the time in comic books looks like a desperate attempt at quasi-sensationalism to substitute for real creative use of the rich potential that was already built into the basic X-Men universe as I described it in the first place (and as I'm still guessing it was originally conceived). And other comic books I've looked into since then have had comparable off-the-wall nuttiness hiding behind their basic premises too.

One good thing about movies based on comic books is that they focus on the basics and cut out the fluff when comic book writers get carried away with themselves.

[Connavar]

On the basics? Fluff? Character histories?

You are dissing the comic books medium than the superhero comics that have become movies.

Atleast read the comics before judging the stories....


Also dont judge the medium by superhero comics. Its like saying reading fiction books sucks cause Fantasy is lame with their evil wizard villain, the orphan that becomes the great hero etc....

X-men is like a soap, not all superhero fans like it. Like me its too much soap for my taste.

[unclejack]

I have to say again this time to Delvo, that's what you're gonna find in Marvel comics. It really agrivates me too, they really are all over the place and they don't ever stick to one thing. They don't seem to have a problem with changing characters or even changing the whole story itself. Take the fantastic four for example...I love the movies, especially the first one. And then I took an interest in readin the comic book until I found out that the fantastic four doesn't even have the same characters, I think it's johnny storm, storm, the silver surfer and mr fantastic. I don't know how accurate that is cuz im pullin it up from memory but basically 2 of the main characters in the fantastic four have been replaced with superhero's from other comic books. That's why i like dc better, I mainly read action comics (superman) and batman detective series in dc, they are both fantastic and never let me down.

[Connavar]

Originally Posted by unclejack

I have to say again this time to Delvo, that's what you're gonna find in Marvel comics. It really agrivates me too, they really are all over the place and they don't ever stick to one thing. They don't seem to have a problem with changing characters or even changing the whole story itself. Take the fantastic four for example...I love the movies, especially the first one. And then I took an interest in readin the comic book until I found out that the fantastic four doesn't even have the same characters, I think it's johnny storm, storm, the silver surfer and mr fantastic. I don't know how accurate that is cuz im pullin it up from memory but basically 2 of the main characters in the fantastic four have been replaced with superhero's from other comic books. That's why i like dc better, I mainly read action comics (superman) and batman detective series in dc, they are both fantastic and never let me down.

Nah you get it wrong.

The FF are the same in the comics and in the movies.

They are one of this first famous series in Marvel.

Mr Fantastic,The Invisible Woman(Susan Storm),Human Torch(Johnny Storm) Thing.

Silver Surfer is a nemesis. Sometimes villain in their stories. Even though he has become semi good in the last decades.



Having said that i prefer DC comics too. Batman anything else Batman like Nightwing,Robin,Green Arrow,Blue Beetle etc

In Marvel i like street level heroes. Spidey,DD,Iron Fist etc

[unclejack]

I know for sure the last time I picked up a fantastic four comic book it didn't have all four characters in the storyline, maybe it was that a couple of them stepped down temporarily or somethin but I know it wasn't the same as what's in the movies.

[Connavar]

Haha you cant read a single issue of 40-50 years old comics and when you dont see the main characters think they are not in the comic at all


Its very common in Superhero comics for the main characters to go away for a while. Most of them have been dead for months

Heh Jean Grey has been dead for several years now

I have read hole 10 issues long archs without Bats in Batman comics for example.


That has happened in Spiderman,DD etc

Heck one very legendary DD issue was about Bulleye's point of view.

[Ragnar]

Talking about awful remakes...

Apologies if this has already been mentioned (in this thread or elsewhere) but I just saw something that should make any SF fan's blood boil...

The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)

Yes, you read that right... a remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still starring Keanu 'so wooden he could be a coffee table' Reeves as Klaatu.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Talking about awful remakes...

... a remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still starring Keanu 'so wooden he could be a coffee table' Reeves as Klaatu.

Klaatu barrada ripoff