Lost: Season Four

[TK-421]

Remember Desmond's vision from last season and the reason Charlie sacrificed himself. The vision was Claire and the baby getting on a helicopter and leaving the island. She can be one of the Oceanic 6. Not sure if the baby would count.

[Steve Jordan]

I remember that too, though getting off the 'copter may not be the same as making it back... we'll have to see. If she does, I'm guessing the baby won't count as one of the six, but we'll see about that, too.

[TK-421]

Also, don't forget that Claire is Jack's half-sister and really only Sawyer could make the connection (and Claire's mother of course).

[Steve Jordan]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Also, don't forget that Claire is Jack's half-sister and really only Sawyer could make the connection (and Claire's mother of course).

That rules out Claire as being in the coffin, then, since Jack denied being family to whomever it was. (Of course, he may not know, even in the future...)

[TK-421]

The fact that Ben is in Sayid's flashfoward also would likely exclude him from being the person in the coffin. My bets are on Locke at this point.

So, is Aaron (Claire's baby) one of the Oceanic 6? They didn't really introduce him as such but he clearly made it off the island. The timelines would fit with the child we saw at the end of last episode if when Kate's mother said her life changed some 4 years ago when she learned Kate was dead (i.e. when the plane disappeared). And what happened to Claire? My guess is something terrible as she would certainly not let her baby go willingly. And did Kate lie to Sawyer about not being pregnant to judge his reaction? A test he failed miserably, might I say.

Also, timelines are a little weird as Kate's flashforward seems to be some time before Jack has his breakdown, while Hurley's is right about the time he is having it.

Why would Miles ask for the exact sum of $3.2 million for his silence? There must be a reason and there is no way Ben would make such a bargain and if he did, he would ensure that both Miles and Charlotte are dead soon after. And why did Charlotte not tell Dan that they found Ben and he's Locke's prisoner?

The black man who recruited Naomi to find Ben and who visited Hurley in the hospital is named Matthew Abaddon. In the bible, abaddon is hebrew for "place of destruction". My guess is he works for Dharma and they want revenge. But that may be too simplistic.

And, through all this where is Richard and the Others?

[Steve Jordan]

I'm guessing Kate did lie to Sawyer, and that is her baby. Claire is doubtless somewhere else, with her baby, living happily.

But then, we still don't know she gets home... just that Desmond's vision saw her leave the island in the 'copter. Until I see her, I'm not totally sold on the fact that she made it home, yet.

Originally Posted by TK-421

Also, timelines are a little weird as Kate's flashforward seems to be some time before Jack has his breakdown, while Hurley's is right about the time he is having it.

Yeah... and if Kate was just convicted of her crimes, something (or someone) must have gotten her an awfully quick probation to be able to get out and see Jack...

Originally Posted by TK-421

Why would Miles ask for the exact sum of $3.2 million for his silence?

I'm sure we'll learn the significance of that sum soon enough. Rest assured that it must be for something very specific.

[Steve Jordan]

....mmmOkay.

In the past, we've had an airliner that some strange anomaly caused to crashland waaay off-course. And we were okay with that.

We've had a hatch, and a mysterious computer that had to be reset, or trigger some kind of electro-magnetic armageddon. And we were okay with that.

We've had living black smoke that either inspires or kills you. And we were confused, but somehow okay with that.

And we've had premonitions, secret societies with hidden agendas, a sailing ship in a jungle... and we were okay with all that.

Everyone here okay with Time Travel?

Yes, after a years-long flirtation with science fiction, Lost has finally jumped into SF-land with both feet, and left deep, muddy bootprints in the foyer.

Other episodic item of note:

The auction Desmond visited featured the journal of the Black Rock, the ship stuck on the island, and the auctioneer stated that the only person who's seen the inside of the book was its owner, Alvar Hanso... founder of the Hanso Foundation, the people that Ben's insurrection destroyed. Penelope's father bought the book. Has he been involved with what's going on with the island? Did he know what was going to happen to Desmond?

[TK-421]

There is a theory that the island exists in a different time or dimension if you will. I did find the auction very interesting. Penny's father is certainly more involved than let on and would have the means to finance the search for the island lead by Abaddon's team.

I did not see Minkowski the way they portrayed him but why would he help Desmond and Sayid? The same goes for Frank.

Did we not see the doctor somewhere else?

As for time travel, I loved it and this means that Daniel has known about the island for 8 years and has been trying to get there all this time.

Another thing that has been bothering me is when Frank called the hotline set up by the airline and US transportation safety board for victims families to tell them the footage of the pilot was not the pilot could mean the government is potentially involved if it is faked.

[Teresa Edgerton]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

I'm guessing Kate did lie to Sawyer, and that is her baby. Claire is doubtless somewhere else, with her baby, living happily.

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

[Steve Jordan]

Originally Posted by Teresa Edgerton

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

I wouldn't put it past them. Of course... maybe if it was Claire's baby, maybe something happened to Claire due to Jack's action (or inaction), and seeing her baby fills him with too much guilt...

Oh, man, I just don't know anymore...

[ambershadow]

I got the impression that it is Clairs baby. The age of the child is one reason and the fact that everyone is hiding the truth of what happened and who got left behind on the Island.

[Lucien21]

Originally Posted by Teresa Edgerton

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

Claire is Jack's Half Sister so Aaron is his nephew.

I imagine the only reason would be because Jack somehow causes Claire's death and feels guilty.

[Teresa Edgerton]

Originally Posted by Lucien21

Claire is Jack's Half Sister so Aaron is his nephew.

Which is exactly why, if he knew the truth, he would want be involved in Aaron's life. And if he had reason to feel guilty about Claire, I think that would increase his feeling of obligation to look after her child. Another man might stay away because he feels guilty, but that would be out of character for Jack.

On the other hand, there does seem to be something slightly off about the way everyone is acting in the flash-forewards.

But here is something I've been wondering about: Kate's mom tries to bargain with Kate, saying she won't testify if she can see her grandson. When Kate says no deal, it seems that she wants to punish her mother. But then we find out that the baby probably isn't Kate's. (The fact that the last word we hear from her in that episode is "Aaron" obviously means that we're supposed to make that connection -- whether it happens to be the correct one or not.) Assuming that he really is Claire's Aaron, did Kate refuse her mother's offer because it would have been a cheat? Or would she have done the same if Aaron were really hers? What do other people think?

[Steve Jordan]

Originally Posted by Teresa Edgerton

Assuming that he really is Claire's Aaron, did Kate refuse her mother's offer because it would have been a cheat? Or would she have done the same if Aaron were really hers? What do other people think?

I suppose Kate may have been afraid that her mother would somehow know that Aaron wasn't hers, which might jeopardize whatever secret they're keeping about the other Losties. On the other hand, Kate could simply be denying her Mother because of the bad blood between them, whether Aaron is hers or not.

Last night gave us a new relationship to consider: Julia and Ben! Hadn't seen that coming... I thought Julia was just always curt with Ben because of his refusal to let her leave the island. I'm not sure I love the reveals about Goodwin and his wife, though... seems very revisionist to me. And good 'ol Jack: When Julia warned him about Ben's jealousy being a danger to him personally, gallant Jack didn't back down an inch.

And another new element: A deadly gas that Daniel apparently managed to render harmless, believing that eventually Ben would have used it and "killed everyone on the island." At first, I thought this might have been the famous "black smoke." Then, I remembered that the black smoke could pick you up and toss you around like a rag doll... a white suit and gas mask weren't going to protect anyone from that. So what was it? And did it somehow connect to Goodwin's chemical burn on the arm (when he and Julia met)?

[Sir Jon]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

Last night gave us a new relationship to consider: Julia and Ben! Hadn't seen that coming...

When Jack was operating on Ben, Tom said something about Juliet and Ben having a history. At the time, I thought that meant a past relationship.