Martin reading newbie here

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Oh, upon rereading TK, I see what ya meant. I was gonna send you an official Tyrion Blow-up punching clown doll...but this damn government filter blocks any search that includes Dwarf and blow-up doll. Im kinda glad for that....

Hmm Boaz didnt we argue Sams character somewhere else...? My stance was then and now the same, Sam didnt actually do anything. He allowed others to force him into things. He ran to Jon to save Gilly, accidentally killed the Wight (getting Small Paul killed in the process...) etc....he has absolutely no redeeming qualities I can think of.

Boaz- I actually compare Brienne with Simon the lead character of Memory Sorrow and Thorn.....Simon ends up being quite large, still oafish and pondering, lucks into completing his various quests, and requires extensive help to make do....but if Brienne is what brings you in, by all means come in from the cold bosom of James Clavell and suckle at Georges ample bosom of creativity.

Boy do I know how to turn a phrase....

[Boaz]

I could never get into any of Clavell's other writings... Shogun is the exception. He birthed an epic story then and the creative milk for feeding that child fed millions, let me tell you.

<Boaz wipes mouth with back of sleeve.>

So you're saying I plagiarized your thoughts on Sam? Heaven forfend! I merely reserve the option to post as I see fit on a daily basis. If my ideas change from day to day, well that's a Boaz's right. But I don't know how I could have ever argued that Sam has any redeeming qualities... Sam Gamgee, yes.... Sam Tarly, no.

In fact, while you were typing your last post here I was posting on the Tolkien threads regarding Sam. Samwise Gamgee, simpleton or hero?

Edit: This thread has been derailed and taken on a life of it's own. Casey Jones! Watch your speed!

[Aegon the Unworthy]

No no no...I wasnt saying you plagiarized me. Just the righteous truthiness of my compelling reason brought you to my way of thinking without you even being aware of it. Dont be upset....happens all the time.

Ironically , that same thread you posted above is just about the only one Ive ever posted in over in the Tolkien threads. You people with yer Children of Hurin, and Son of Schmegelmir, and Minas Whosits confuse me. So much stuff....

So anyhow on to theories of conspiracy.....anyone want to hear my Lady Melisandre is working as a force for good but is actually trying to bring about the final battle by getting Stannis possessed by demons theory?

[TK-421]

Advocate for the devil all you want, but I think there is something inside Sam that is waiting to come out. He is not a tool or else Jon would of never sent him to Oldtown. And I think we all would agree that Jon is a pretty good judge of character. Sam will find his courage much like Pippin found his.

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I think there is something inside Sam that is waiting to come out.

It already came out... over the side of the ship on his way to Braavos.

Actually, I agree with you, TK. Up 'til now Sam can be summed up as... potential.

So can Hodor, Butterbumps and Moon Boy.

[TK-421]

HA! Funny but I think you in reality give Sam a little bit more "potential" than Moon Boy. When he forges his links he will have knowledge that will help others (Dany? Jon? Doran? Quentyn? Arellas? Marwyn? Jaqen?...) do great things.

Although, at least Moon Boy has Cersei. The best Sam can do is Gilly.

[Zee]

Speaking of Hodor, why can he only say one word? If he's capable of speech he should be able to pronounce other sounds that aren't "Hodor". I'm waiting for him to bust into a long soliloquy in a future book.

Could you imagine a Hodor POV chapter? "Hodor", thought Hodor. "Hodor, hodor hodor".

[Boaz]

Zee, check out The secret POV has been revealed.

[Zee]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Zee, check out The secret POV has been revealed.

LOL -- now that was funny.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I was gonna lambaste Zee for being a joke stealer, then I read the thread Boaz posted and realized he had stolen a joke from me before I had even joined the forum. Thats just plain low....yeah Im looking at you Boaz. Stop portraying my jokes as your own even though I havent thought of them yet.

What was this thread about?

[Boaz]

This thread is about you... it's all about you, Egg.

[dyffeg]

Hi everyone,

honestly, I believe many of you are totally missing the point about Sam. The man is a hero. A goddam role model to many of us more generously apportioned dieting-failures. Why? The man is actually loosing weight.. his clothes are getting looser, he is gaining muscles. He is getting fit.

What a man! Who knows what else he'll be capable of!!!

Dyffeg

[TK-421]

Praise Samwell, Dyffeg!!! Amen!!!

I whole-heartedly agree. Sam the Slayer is changing but his true self does not need changing. He already has what it takes.

[Boaz]

What? He had what it took to be a great trencher man. Ah, he could have accomplished great things at the dinner table. But alas, our Jared has found his Subway. Mayhaps Sam is slimming to become the Takeru Kobayashi of the Seven Kingdoms.

[Tysha]

Loved the Walder POV Boaz