Damn you Lucas!!!

[Naryaló S dú]

Why did he have to introduce 'Midi-chlorians'??!!! I love the idea of 'the force' because of its mystical and mysterious quality shown int he original movies, a scientific explanation for the force ruined the idea. What are your opinions on this?

[Majimaune]

Agreed. You either have the power or don't. I like how in 5 when Yoda is explaining the force Artoo looks aground as if trying to sense it. The medi-clorians aren't cool.

[C Of K]

They certainly weren't a good idea, but I guess Lucas is allowed to go senile for a year or so. To me it's no big deal anymore, I ignore it. Guess this is what happens when you try to explain more about God than you actually know.

If there is a God, His existence must make sense scientifically, or must it? It's so confusing! Well, anyway, we know George doesn't have a good answer.

[Naryaló S dú]

Scientifically saying there is a god is very illogical

[Dexter]

The midi-whatses were just plain silly. Sounds more like Star Trek than Star Wars to me: there's proto-matter in the Genesis Matrix! I ignore the midis as I'd ignore a fart in a plane. Just like I ignore Han Solo firing first in the Cantina.

[Huttman]

Ignoring it and enjoying the rest of the movie sure sounds more postive than letting it ruin the movie and complain to no end. A sub-text to Phantom Menace is symbiotic relationships working together for a common goal. I think this is just another attempt to bring the story together and add a little more dimension or perhaps mystery to the force. Everything else about the force is rather vague, too, on purpose I think, it appeals to more people that way. If you can't get past this, then make something up, like, the force would exist with or without these midi-chlorians and if there is intelligence behind the force it put these things in individuals to help them. After all they never said they were sentient and everyone has microscopic critters in and on them all their lives. Or maybe you can just continue to ignore it. As for proving the existence of God through science, yes there is proof, just look at the creation itself. I will not go into the big bang, where it came from, or what an incredible universe it produced for us because I find if one does not want to believe, no proof at all would suffice.

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Naryaló S dú

Scientifically saying there is a god is very illogical

Possibly, but I'm under the impression that we really don't know enough about science to consider this a fact, and aren't sufficiently adept enough with logic to prove this.

Anyone claiming the ability to prove this is claiming to be a god, knowing the secrets of the universe. There may be no God, but stuck here on Earth as we are I don't think there's a person alive who can prove it. If there is a God, who's to say His existence goes against all the laws of science, when no one could say how He exists?

[Huttman]

Originally Posted by C Of K

Possibly, but I'm under the impression that we really don't know enough about science to consider this a fact, and aren't sufficiently adept enough with logic to prove this.

Anyone claiming the ability to prove this is claiming to be a god, knowing the secrets of the universe. There may be no God, but stuck here on Earth as we are I don't think there's a person alive who can prove it. If there is a God, who's to say His existence goes against all the laws of science, when no one could say how He exists?

Curious and very interesting remark there. I guess the question I would ask is why are the secrets of the universe secret? Have you ever asked Him to know what they are or why? You seem to have a great deal of respect for He and His. It is my understanding that the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God and that He reveals Himself to those earnestly seeking Him. The world is at an all time high arrogance right now, and to keep a Star Wars theme in this as well, even Yoda said more and more jedi are arrogant and too sure of themselves, basically they lack humility so the sith were able to sneak right under their noses and take control of the galaxy. I personally found that plot point interesting and comparable to the real world stage.

Also one of my favorite Spock quotes: Logic, logic--Logic is the beginning of wisdom Valeris, not the end...

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Huttman

Curious and very interesting remark there. I guess the question I would ask is why are the secrets of the universe secret? Have you ever asked Him to know what they are or why?

As far as my understanding extends, there could be a God. I have no way of disproving such a thing. If there is, I would not wish to disprove it. If there is, and the Bible is His word, I'm certain it doesn't explain in detail much of the universe that doesn't directly involve events on Earth.

The Bible clearly points out that man can't direct his own step, and history shows that to be true. In this case, most of what happens beyond our planetary perception, I believe would be God's concern, and not ours. And true enough, the bible discloses very little where the rest of the universe is concerned.

And I have to believe that God will always have secrets. That would be part of what makes Him a God. He would know things that we never will.

You seem to have a great deal of respect for He and His.

I don't wish to step on the respect due to anyone. If God exists, and the Bible is His word, then He is to be put above all other things. To my understanding, this is one of the ways such was displayed when referring to him in written language.

It is my understanding that the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God and that He reveals Himself to those earnestly seeking Him.

I know dozens of people doing just that, all in different religions, all claiming that their way is the right way. I try to avoid this argument anyway possible; this phenomena is spread to a world wide degree. So be there a God, or no God, the wisdom of man is foolishness. But we still manage to have fun sometimes.

The world is at an all time high arrogance right now

This, I'm not terribly certain of. I think the world has probably always been arrogant. Even many of God's servants. David for instance. Thus why the arrangement of a human king in Israel was abolished. Consider the Israelites that saw the parting of the Red Sea...They ruined themselves with arrogance right after seeing that.

I believe now it's just easier for people to interact with each other, no matter where they are in the world. Earth has always been like one giant sandbox (albeit a very dangerous one) Technology has made the sandbox a whole lot bigger, though. And as there will be, on occasion in sandboxes, some bully will pick a fight, whether it be a forum war, a flame war, a real war, a media war between musical icons...arrogance can be fed on a wider scale.

Before, it was just the whole world being arrogant in hundreds of smaller communities. And then there's the fact that there are a whole lot more people these days than there has ever been.

[Majimaune]

Ignorance is Bliss so just ignore what you don't like and the world will be a better place.

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Majimaune

Ignorance is Bliss

definitely a quote from the Matrix, and probably a dozen other places. i love it.

[Huttman]

Right on C of K,
I have never liked the my way or the highway mentality, no wonder this subject is so distasteful to so many.
Even in a perfect world we all won't like or do the same things, diversity, you know. Personally I don't like the religious
cookie cutter effect either. I like to tell others to not take my word on anything but if you hear something you're not sure of from me,
take it to the Big Guy and ask Him. And if I'm wrong, kindly let me know.
The world cannot have the problems it has yet everybody claiming their way is right and true.
Religion really should put us all on equal terms by showing we all fall short in the eyes of God and He is the one to approach
to figure life out (but don't so many in the world do that already?). I can't fix the world, but I can go through it and to the
one's I meet even for a moment or a liftime, I will do what I can to encorage and enhance rather than discourage. And yes, I still have
fun too, I'm the youngest 39 year old I know. Those aren't my words either. I love being humorous, I can even laugh at myself which means I will never cease to be amused.
And you are right of course, we have had arrogance from the beginning, I agree now there are more people
filling this planet with instantanious in your face media coverage so that may make it seem worse. Unfortunatly I
also think the love of the greater number of people has cooled off. Serving people for many years has shown me
this but when I see courtesy and respect and humility it shines all the brighter in today's life whether it be from a young
child to an elderly person. And that is very encouraging to me.
Good talking with you!...Ignorance is bliss to some perhaps, but there is always a flip side...

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Huttman

Religion really should put us all on equal terms by showing we all fall short in the eyes of God and He is the one to approach
to figure life out

It may have genuinely started out that way. People adapt, even if they don't evolve, and change things to suit their needs for the given moment. Sometimes adaptation can be a shame.

I can't fix the world, but I can go through it and to the
one's I meet even for a moment or a liftime, I will do what I can to encorage and enhance rather than discourage. And yes, I still have
fun too, I'm the youngest 39 year old I know. Those aren't my words either. I love being humorous, I can even laugh at myself which means I will never cease to be amused.

You would make a better jedi than a hutt, me thinks.

Unfortunatly I
also think the love of the greater number of people has cooled off.

I have no doubts about that. Religion plays its part in this, too. Of course, can't blame everything on religion, no matter how simple it would be to do.

Good talking with you!...Ignorance is bliss to some perhaps, but there is always a flip side...

And you. Well stated. Too much ignorance, and even too much knowledge, I believe, can be detrimental. perhaps that is another reason God would keep people in the dark concerning some matters?

[Huttman]

Originally Posted by C Of K

I haven't quite figured out how one responds to multiple quotes. I'm so slow sometimes!-LOL (just learned that doesn't mean Lord oh Lord) Still lol.


You would make a better jedi than a hutt, me thinks.
Hey thanks. The reason I use that name is for over 10 years now I've been working on a Jabba's throne room diorama in 3/34" scale. I think, at least, it looks cool and there is a gallery on this website for us to post our art and photos so I will have to look into that. I will try to make that soon.


I have no doubts about that. Religion plays its part in this, too. Of course, can't blame everything on religion, no matter how simple it would be to do.
No, I agree, not at all. Many people claim a faith in title only and there really aren't that many athiests per capita in the world and even fewer of those, I'm guessing, have ever been in foxholes! However, I was just generalizing the whole human race right now.


And you. Well stated. Too much ignorance, and even too much knowledge, I believe, can be detrimental. perhaps that is another reason God would keep people in the dark concerning some matters?

I'm not a father yet, and I would like children someday when the world is at peace, but if and when I do, I would like to share everything I've learned in my life with him or her. I will not, however, hand the the keys to the car even with instruction and some phone books so they can see over the dash board and expect them to drive well at 2 years old. It is obvious they would not have the mental discipline not to mention motor skills to do a decent job. I feel somehow this is how God views us in a way. I don't know your age but I know you know things better than you did 10 years ago. On a personal note, I believe you know things better than people twice your age, me thinks. Also if you care to dream for a moment, how much more will you understand if you should see 1000 or a million years! No wonder we seem to enjoy sci-fi, it has themes like this. (always loved the Q episodes myself) One more thing before I go, God has hidden true wisdom(eg-the secrets of the universe) from the world, not because He does not wish to share, but because He has made it something worthwhile to search and dig for and discover. It is also hidden from people because, well, we've been discussing some of those reasons above. Wow, this particular thread turned from something seemingly negative to something a little more inspiring, me thinks again!

A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor a says make me one with everything---Bicentennial Man

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Huttman

I don't know your age but I know you know things better than you did 10 years ago. On a personal note, I believe you know things better than people twice your age, me thinks.

Well, I don't know about all that. I'm up there in age. Just turned 28 in April. Somehow, I never thought I would make it this far. But I like to write -- a lot. When you write you have to research, and do a lot of thought into things. (it's expected)

Also if you care to dream for a moment, how much more will you understand if you should see 1000 or a million years! No wonder we seem to enjoy sci-fi, it has themes like this. (always loved the Q episodes myself)

Older than Methuselah, man! Q was great, and sci-fi is a great escape. Star Wars (though it isn't really sci-fi) is what got me into reading and writing in the first place.

One more thing before I go, God has hidden true wisdom(eg-the secrets of the universe) from the world, not because He does not wish to share, but because He has made it something worthwhile to search and dig for and discover. It is also hidden from people because, well, we've been discussing some of those reasons above. Wow, this particular thread turned from something seemingly negative to something a little more inspiring, me thinks again!

It really has. Hopefully no one kills us for going off topic.

A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor a says make me one with everything---Bicentennial Man

I keep telling everyone, "those hot dog vendors can work miracles." No one seems to believe me

doing the quote thing isn't too difficult once you get the hang of it. Here's how it's done. (we'll see how clearly I can explain internet code. YIKES)

Okay, see how when you hit the quote button it does something like this: [quote=C of K;895750] ?

Forget everything except for: [quote] Ok. This is the first part. Everything in "quotes" comes after this: [quote].

Notice how after using the quote option there is another bracket with a:
" / " in it. (if I use it here, the quote will take effect and you might not see some of this.) But after you've divided the text you want to quote, do the thing with brackets at the end, but put the slash before the word "quote" and you're done.