Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows...*DEFINITE SPOILERS*

[PTeppic]

Originally Posted by Abbot

Only thing i didnt get in the whole book.

How was the wand Dracos after snape killed dumbly?

Something to do with the tower scene in Half-Blood Prince, where Draco was the one who had power and control. Snape may have killed Dumbledore but it was on his own request: which for the wand presumably doesn't count!

[faerietalegoddess]

Originally Posted by Abbot

Only thing i didnt get in the whole book.

How was the wand Dracos after snape killed dumbly?

In the tower scene in the last book, Draco was, at first, the only one up there with Dumbledore and an invisible Harry Potter. When Harry and Dumbledore hear someone running up the stairs, Dumbledore immobilizes Harry. Draco enters and, because Dumbledore had just cast a spell, had a split-second advantage. He was able to use the disarming spell on Dumbledore, thus leaving Dumbledore without a wand.

So even though Snape killed him, Draco and his disarming spell are what bested Dumbledore in the first place, making him the true holder of the Elder Wand. Until Harry bested him in Malfoy Manor, at least.

Yeah...forgive me if that's not exactly how it worked, but I think that's how I read it.

[JohnSnow]

Originally Posted by faerietalegoddess

In the tower scene in the last book, Draco was, at first, the only one up there with Dumbledore and an invisible Harry Potter. When Harry and Dumbledore hear someone running up the stairs, Dumbledore immobilizes Harry. Draco enters and, because Dumbledore had just cast a spell, had a split-second advantage. He was able to use the disarming spell on Dumbledore, thus leaving Dumbledore without a wand.

So even though Snape killed him, Draco and his disarming spell are what bested Dumbledore in the first place, making him the true holder of the Elder Wand. Until Harry bested him in Malfoy Manor, at least.

Yeah...forgive me if that's not exactly how it worked, but I think that's how I read it.

That is pretty much it. Along with Pteptic's account. Brilliant!

I just finished reading it for the second time. The first time you just gotta read through to the end!

My thoughts **** SPOILERS BELOW******

I was happily surprised in a fashion about the Deathly Hallows. I was afraid Harry was going to command the cloak and stone during the final battle and somehow grab Voldemort's wand and, seeing as he would have "possession" of all three hallows, he would not die but Voldy would. Glad that did not happen.

I was satisfied with the hokey veil of death scene with Harry and Albus simply because in re-reading the book Harry grows so much in the last 1/3 and to willingly sacrifice himself, as his mother did, was a fitting heroic deed.
I thought, in both readings, my favorite part is the final battle with

Voldemorte. Harry had assumed status everyone had thrust upon him and he never looked away from Voldemorte. Calling him Tom Riddle brought goosepimples and still does as I type.

My favorite Harry section of the book was when he announced he was going to speak to Ollivander and Gripnuck at Bill and Fleur's. That was when he began to fully assert himself, which I have been waiting for since book 3 at least.

I had believed Snape had chosen to switch sides because Voldy had promised Lily to him and then killed her en route to Harry. I hate to say it but I was actually hoping Snape just turned out to be a bad egg, however Dumbledre was shown to have enough faults. And with that...

My final thought. I can not say I was shocked by the many "flaws" in Albus' character brought to light in HPatDH. There had been some foreshadowing of this in book 6. I actually liked the idea that even as great as Albus was, Harry had more promise, not only because of his struggles, but because he had learned to face each of his struggles head on.

I lied, one last last thought. My biggest frustration is that we do not know what Harry had become?????? Teacher, auror, Gringotts security guard????

Anyway, next up is to re-read the series 1-7!

Good night

snow

[Abbot]

i think the fact that the book ends that way is excellent. cause Rowling said she didnt want to kill off the main caracters to end the series she just wanted to end the story of harry potter, and I think she accomplished that.

Now comes the fun part every Harry Potter fan fic set after the 7th book will always be a perfect fan fic cause shes made it that we the readers and fans can make up our own stories oof wat happens next in our own heads.

Me I think harry becomes a spokes person trying to reunite the old way of the magical world were everyone is equal.

[manephelien]

Harry dropped out of school, so definitely not a teacher or Auror. As I recall, the requirements for Auror were very strict, with passing the OLWs only a small part.

[little smaug]

The way I see it there's no way anyone passed their exams this year, so maybe everyone went back and completed their 7th year at a later date?

[The Ace]

Originally Posted by manephelien

Harry dropped out of school, so definitely not a teacher or Auror. As I recall, the requirements for Auror were very strict, with passing the OLWs only a small part.

Surely defeating the Dark Lord on numerous occasions would count for something.

[Digger]

Yes, enjoyed it muchly, but.....1. Felt DH should have been about 40 pages longer (ie, to fill in some of the gaps mentioned previously, which still feel unsatisfying); 2. I guessed the white doe was Snape's Patronus, and that he was in love with Lily; 3. A bit too much of a resemblance to Aslan's death in the Lion the Witch & the Wardrobe - you know, the hero volunteers to die to save everyone else, and in doing so saves himself and results in the villain being defeated!! Overall, v good though, can't believe that's it!!!

[HoopyFrood]

Well, I finished it this morning and yes, the ending did manage to grab my attention a little more than the rest of the book -- although I still managed to put the book down just before the final showdown so I could go to sleep and then returned to it this morning.

The final showdown -- rather quick, in my eyes! They throw a spell at each other, Voldemort's knocked off his feet and then...oh, he's dead! But then I guess, there you go -- the most evil wizard ever, killed by his own spell.

Can't believe she killed off poor Hedwig! But, thinking in plot terms, she probably would have been an annoyance: Harry could hardly have taken her all around the country with him. Saying this though, Crookshanks and Pig were left behind somewhere...she could've done the same for Hedwig! And just when I was thinking, oh good, one twin loses an ear, she's done something to them now so she's not going to kill one of them off...damn! Fred is killed. I would've liked to have known George's reaction about that, those guys were so close. Will he keep up with the joke shop? So much that we need to know still!

And Lupin and Tonks! Not both of them! Poor Ted...but then, like the last time Voldemort was at large and Harry was left as an orphan, now the same has happened this time around.

I was shocked when we found out that Harry had to die (although I knew there would be some loophole to it...but then, if Voldemort hadn't have used Harry's blood in book four, then Harry would have been quite screwed in book seven! At least, I think that's what J.K meant...Harry and Voldemort had a link because Harry was an inadvertent horcrux -- another surprise, I'd convinced myself that he wasn't one -- but then Voldemort created another link between them when he used Harry's blood...so the horcrux link is destroyed, but there's still the blood link that kept Harry alive. Oh, reading back now, because Lily's enchantment runs in Voldemort's veins and so Harry can't die while that's still hanging around. Right.) But, of course, J.K's had all this planned for a long time!

Yes, Molly's bit at the end was great. But we've seen her fury throughout the series whenever her family do something wrong, so it's not altogether surprising that she's a force to be reckoned with when wielding a wand at an enemy! And especially, as the boggart showed in book five, her deepest fear is the deaths of those in her family. And Neville killing the snake, that was another bit -- but I guessed, when Harry told him the snake had to be killed, than he would be the one to do it. Yeah, good old Neville.

OK, this post is getting rather long now. Suffice to say that although I haven't, since reading The Order of the Phoenix, enjoyed the books as I once did, and that I wasn't exactly enthralled while reading this final book, the ending was certainly apt and enjoyable -- and also quite an eye opener to the ugliness and brutality of war.

[The Upright Man]

i cnt believe percy just turned up and he said a quicj appology, then everthing was alrite...even after 3/4 years

[PTeppic]

Originally Posted by HoopyFrood

The final showdown -- rather quick, in my eyes! They throw a spell at each other, Voldemort's knocked off his feet and then...oh, he's dead! But then I guess, there you go -- the most evil wizard ever, killed by his own spell.

In a way quite clever of JKR - she allows Harry to defeat Voldemort without becoming a killer. I've said it in one of the other (numerous) threads somewhere: I suspect it didn't matter WHAT spell Harry used to defend himself against the Avadra Kedavra, the Elder Wand would never work against its "master" always turn against the abuser.

[dobby]

Originally Posted by BrightFeather

yeah, it didnt give you enough to get your teeth into!

The order of the phoenix was 956 pages much better

956 pages? what!!!! have i missed something?

[dobby]

WOW! first of all i have read it almost 4 times now... i just cant come to terms with the story... dont get me wrong i ABSOLUTELY LOVE HP! i was at the book store @ 5am (sydney, released it at 9:01am)... weren't we promised 785pages (800 odd pages stated in an interview) i just wish that it was longer and possibly THE longest book. not a tiny 607pages.! this is the reason i have read it over and over again i feel as though i missed something. so short!

It has been widley roumered that this is infact NOT the last book, that JK took the 200 odd pages missing and is extending the epilouge. On the morning of the release as i waited for the release i heard on the radio specifically "as fans wait for the first installment of the last book..." is this a mistake or a hint... i hope she does release another book.!!! (although most unlikely)

*SPOILERS BELOW*

Firstly the whole thing went too quick ... they were running hiding running hiding etc.. over and over again... i think JK could of drawn that out a bit furthur and did more with the hunt for the horcruxes and hallows.

The deaths didnt really surprise me... except for the death of Hedwig and Dobby... poor dobby, my fav little elf... (RIP Dobby you are a FREE elf!) i actually cried when dobby died the death that afftected me the most (and i'm not the type to cry over a book!)

When Georges ear was blown of (LMAO) so funny ("...holey... get it, holey!")
Poor little teddy orphan just like voldy and harry what is it with orphans?

OMG: Snape thing... i would neva have guessed! i have always been as you call it a snape-hater from the beggining but gees JK stuffed me up! now i LOVE snape!. The whole snape pensive thing... made me cry too (as above i never cry over a book)

I like the emotion JK ahs put into the book but she should of gone ALL the way with the emotions and filled it up!.

so much to say. but i think i have said enough for now! \

one last thing let us have a minute of silence to remember dobby...

a great elf and friend... rest in peace dobby. we will always remember you!

may your bravery inspire all house elfs to follow in your footsteps

S.P.E.W is always on your side.

*cries*

Well thats my two cents of info.

[tonic]

I liked the book a lot although I really hated that 19 years later stuff. The end was probably the best because Harry asserts himself. Throughout most of the series he's basically said it was luck and that it wasn't him, but in the end he shows that he didn't need anyone.

I kind of figured the whole Snape thing when Dumbledore begged at the end of book six. It was so out of character, even in his weakened state, that I thought it had to be a ploy. And the flaws in Dumbledore's character was very Gandalfish. I was just picturing the scene where Gandalf asks Frodo not to offer him the ring.

The fight offered all the cheap thrills you could wish...the Mrs. Weasley bit and especially Kreacher. The showdown was amazing too.

I didn't mind the beginning that much mostly because I couldn't think of how the horcruxes could be finished. But like I said...the end really grated on my nerves...I guess that's just because I didn't want it to end.

[Markida]

Anyone else cry at Freds death? Or was it just me? Just when Harry saw George standing by his body, it was horrible. And why Tonks and Lupin! Since Sirius was gone, they were my favourites! Then she went and killed them as well. Damn you JK!
And anyone else suspect that little James Potters middle name is Sirius? I did love the ending though, nice touch.