The Stone Cold Lock on Jon!

[Critical Matt]

Alright. I've read the books. I've read the R+L=J thread (well, parts of it), and I've been drinking. The kids are with the grandparents and wifey's got a wicked summer cold.

I listened to the audiobooks for the entire series also and I know for a fact that Tyrion gives away the answer for the three heads of the dragon. Something about a sister and wife. Anyway, I'm going to take the bullet and listen to the damn things again and get the exact quote. I just wanted everyone to know I've got the answer and that you can thank me now when it's confirmed in the next book (or the year 2020, whichever comes first).

Enjoy your weekend!

Edit: I should point out that I am in no way an expert on the works of George R.R. Martin. I have no particular insight. I read threads here and think to myself, "Huh?" or "No sh-t?" or "That person has read these books - a lot".

But I do have the answer. Yes, I do.

Edit 2: I just realized I should give the answer for the record. The three heads of the dragon are Jon, Daenarus, and Jon's horse faced sister whose name escapes me at the moment, but doesn't matter because she's a faceless man...

[Boaz]

Jon marrying Arya? Could happen. If R+L=J, then Jon is Arya's cousin not her brother and he'd be Dany's nephew.

As it currently stands, the general populace only knows that of all the Stark children, only Arya is alive... the fake Arya. Littlefinger knows Sansa is alive and he'll keep her there until the threat of execution for Joffrey's murder is gone. Being older and with Bran and Rickon assumed dead, Sansa is heir to Winterfell. If Edmure dies with no issue and if the Blackfish is killed, then Sansa is heir to Riverrun also. I'm using the term heir very loosely here. Primogeniture seems to be the law of inheritance among the Andals and the First Men, while Agnatic Law (the eldest male... uncle, brother, son) seems to be practiced by the Ironborn, and a Semi-Salic version of Agnatic Law is practiced by the Dornishmen... this means that the eldest relative inherits regardless of sex.

Anyway, Sansa would not inherit, but her husband would... I know no one would make her husband Lord of the North and Lord of the Riverlands, but either makes her a very attractive bride. Combining the North with the Night's Watch by a Jon and Sansa wedding would be a powerful combination to the Targaryen/Night's Watch power base created by a Dany and Jon wedding.

Honor, faithfulness, and family mean something to Dany. Will she align with the Dornish? They need to prove they've been loyal these past sixteen years. But on the plus side, they are willing to be governed by a woman and once Dorne's in line the other Houses may follow.

Will she align with the Ironborn? She won't be in charge in a marriage with Euron... she'll not give up control of the dragons. On the other hand, Victarion will woo for himself and he'll pale in comparison to Drogo.

Will she align with Highgarden? The Tyrells are rich and powerful. Their military (after the Iron Fleet) may be her biggest hurdle in gaining the throne... but they have a fleet also to offer her. But she'll probably have to marry one of the Tyrell boys in order to gain the throne... the Tyrells won't take their daughter off the throne for nothing.

What scheme is Littlefinger hatching? If the Martells and Greyjoys know about Dany's growing power, then you can bet Baelish knows all about it. What will he offer Dany? An impregnable home in the Eyrie, an army untouched by the War of the Five Kings, and his Midas touch are what he could offer.

Dany has to destroy the Lannisters. She must do this to secure justice for the people, revenge for her family, and peace of mind for herself.

So who sounds more attractive to you guys?

Dorne? Dany and Quentyn (possibly Arianne, too).

Highgarden? Dany and Loras and Margaery (she's still a virgin, I swear it) or Dany and Willas (if Bran or Tyrion could ride a dragon, why not Willas? he's crippled, too) and Margaery.

Iron Islands? Dany and Euron and Asha.

The Vale? Dany and Robert and Sansa.

The North? Dany and Jon and Sansa or Dany and Jon and Arya (real or fake) or Dany and Jon and Stannis or Dany and Stannis and Melissandre.

I've not been drinking, though I often post when I do. No, tonight I'm just rambling.

[andyn]

Dany will end up forming an allegiance with Jon and Sam.

[TK-421]

How about all of the above? It's kind of like those multiple choice test I used to have in university. When you have no f#^% clue, go for the last option of: all of the above.

I am sure Critical Matt and Andyn are quickly learning that Boaz talks out of both ends sometimes. But that's what makes him so endearing.

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I am sure Critical Matt and Andyn are quickly learning that Boaz talks out of both ends sometimes. But that's what makes him so endearing.

Noooo! They're on to me!

Too funny, TK.

[C Of K]

Now we see why GRRM hires fans as body guards. He won't so much as stump a toe until after this book is FIN-ished

[BridgerandObie]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Jon marrying Arya? Could happen. If R+L=J, then Jon is Arya's cousin not her brother and he'd be Dany's nephew.

Jon and Arya marrying? About as likely as Tyrion selling Cercei to Bronn for one magical night. George is one hell of a writer and is no Robert Jordan. My point to this is he only has a few more books to wrap up the story lines, and the last we understood of the relationship between Jon and Arya, it ended with the "mussing" of hair and to kill with "the pointy end". Now, unless Georgie is foreshadowing a little sex scene between J and A, I find it hard to believe he has the space or credibility to turn what both to believe each other as the most accepting Stark siblings into lovers. Just sounds a little "As the World Turns" to me.

[ras'matroi]

I think it is neccesary to consider what Dany is aiming at.

On option is to regain power over Westeroes another to fight and defeat the Others.

For the first option I would go for Dorne or Highgarden as possible allies

for the second I think it would be the Starks, the Nightwatch or even the Wilderlings since they seem to be the only ones who are aware of the danger.

But I would like to see the Starks sticking to their wolves. They probably have some power to fight the others, too. After all they lived in the same terretories for a long time and survived. (that would leave Sansa to change over to a dragon)

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by ras'matroi

(that would leave Sansa to change over to a dragon)

She already has bonded with an animal. Lady's death left a void in Sansa's soul. Bonding with a dragon will allow Sansa to say, "You complete me."

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by ras'matroi

I think it is neccesary to consider what Dany is aiming at.

On option is to regain power over Westeroes another to fight and defeat the Others.

Dany could not consiously be aiming for defeating the Others since she does not know yet of their existence and threat. Only those on the Wall really know of their threat. Now, if Dany meets up with Sam, he would surely tell her. Otherwise, how is she to find out where she is. I mean Ravens and emissaries (Yoren) from the Wall fall on deaf ears in King's Landing.

[lauren20062001]

I don't think Jon could marry either of the Stark girls, he was raised as a sibling to Arya, and a half-brother to Sansa. Unlike the Tars, the Starks don't raise their children with the idea of marrying them to one another. I never saw Arya as even one of the possible heads of the dragon, anyone want to explain that theory?

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I swear to all thats holy, if Jon and Arya hook up in any way that is not conducive to to a G rating I will close the book, puke, and began bashing Martins writing on every message board Ive ever been near. I am that vindictive. I am so violently against that outcome I can actually feel the bile rising to the back of my throat as I type this.

Now on to more important matters...I think we're missing the import of the heads of the dragon. It does stand to reason that the three are Targaryens. Its not necessarily so, however. So Arya could be one of the infamous "heads", without being a Targ. Its one of those "if P then Q, but if not P then not Q does not follow" scenarios.

She is still the sister of Jon regardless of actual birth.

(For the record I think the three heads are Jon Dany and Aegon.)

Im curious as to what passage Tyrion revealed. So if the original poster (Critical Matt) needs to recreate the events of that night, just give me an idea where to send your case of Labatts Blue, and maybe a nice Cabernet Sauvignon for the wife.....and get crackin or listening....or whatever.

And Boaz does speak out of both ends....it is known.

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by lauren20062001

I don't think Jon could marry either of the Stark girls, he was raised as a sibling to Arya, and a half-brother to Sansa. Unlike the Tars, the Starks don't raise their children with the idea of marrying them to one another. I never saw Arya as even one of the possible heads of the dragon, anyone want to explain that theory?

When Tyrion asks Bronn to fight the Mountain for him. Bronn chooses life with Lollys over saving Tyrion. Bronn says something to the effect of "If you had a choice of fighting that thing or *&%$#*&@ Lollys, you'd have your pants down and your ^#$* up asap!" Tyrion had to admit it was true.

The possible reasons for a Stark girl being one of the heads are as follows... and no I don't believe what I'm saying. Some of these are mere possibilities not prophecy.
1. The title is A Song Of Ice And Fire. Fire=Targ. Ice=Stark (mayhaps Ice=The Other).
2. Dany is a Targ. Jon is half-Targ and half-Stark. To balance things out, a true Stark would fit nicely as the third head. And no matter what Aegon says about Jon+Arya being gross... Jon+Rickon is grosser.
3. Arya looks like Lyanna.
4. Sansa's hair may remind Jon of Ygritte... or mayhaps Ygritte was just a forerunner to Sansa.
5. Dany is triumphant. The Other is defeated. The Wildlings are incorporated into the Seven Kingdoms. Jon is now out of a job and willing to take up his Targ destiny and rule... but the North still needs to be brought in the fold and this is where a Stark comes in.
6. Dany is still enamored with Drogo, the greatest killer of all time. She'll be impressed with Arya's mounting total and Arya's commitment to becoming the most capable mass murderer of all time.
7. Dany and Sansa, both disillusioned with ever finding a real man, will fall for each other.
8. While we watched Arya turn into Darth Vader in the first four books, we'll see GRRM redeem her in the last book. She can only be redeemed by the two great heroes... Dany and Jon.
9. Sansa began the series with dreams of princes, heroes, tourneys, and galas. She's been severely disillusioned. Mayhaps things will come full circle and she'll be rescued.
10. Jon's broken his vows multiple times already. If the choice was saving the world by marrying Dany and one of his sisters or letting everyone die, I tell ya he'd have his pants down and his @%#$ up before you could say Winter is Coming.

[Boaz]

After taking a shower this moring, I came up with some more thoughts.

11. Aegon the Conqueror was one of the original three heads along with his two sisters. Dany no longer has siblings... unless Tyrion is a Targ. But Jon does have siblings... Aegon, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Now Sansa and Arya have both lost their wolves, what if Ghost is lost to Jon? Since the Snow/Stark kids know how to bond with animals, mayhaps those three would bond with the dragons. The three heads would be Jon, Sansa and Arya.
12. To defeat The Other the Westerosi must unite. Mayhaps the three heads signify the ability to combat The Other on different levels. Dragons symbolize air superiority. Wolves signify control of the ground. Trout and Krakens are both from the water. Asha, Theon, Victarion, Euron, Edmure, Brynden, and/or Sansa (a half-Tully with full Tully looks) might represent Water while Dany and Jon represent Air and Earth.
13. Arya will soon gain the ability to alter her appearance. She may appear in a form that is irresistable to Dany... and Jon.

How is Jon+Arya any grosser than Jaime+Cersei, Tyrion+any whore, and Sam+... you know what? I can't even go there...

Jon's been on his way with Arya since the first book... I have something for you... close the door... this is no toy... it's so skinny... so are you... stick them with the pointy end... I know which end to use... Who will I practice with?... find a partner... watch... whatever you do don't tell Sansa.

That does not portray Jon in a positive light.

While seperated neither Jon nor Arya missed a parent, sibling, relative or any friend like they longed for each other. And anyway they will find out that they are not siblings, merely cousins... kissin' cousins. Jon told Arya sometimes different roads lead to the same castle.

[TK-421]

Jon & Arya...geeessshhh, we must be getting desperate for something to talk about.

Anyways, I always thought of Arya as being one of the 3 Heads and some of your arguements, Boaz, are good. In particular, numbers 1, 2 and 10 (I know this last one will get me in trouble with those who love Jon - don't get me wrong, I like him too but I see him with 'human faults').