The Tolkien Quoting Trivia

[Grimward]

"Open the book, it will lead to enlightenment."

[Clansman]

Can't find it, and I won't reveal my guess until I can find it. Anyone else?

[pyan]

Grim, I think everyone's given up on this one...

[Grimward]

All right, let's have the guess, Clanny. Found or not, it wouldn't be the first time the thread reached this point, if my backreads are correct....

[Marky Lazer]

'But upon all whom you [Húrin] love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of doom ... They shall die without hope, cursing both life and death.'

The Children of Húrin, The Words of Húrin and Morgoth.

But I don't have a question.

[Grimward]

*Hands Marky a Division Bell, with a clarification*

I saw somewhere in the previous posts a question as to whether it wasn't time to begin including The Children of Hurin, and thought to force the issue. In all honesty, I also thought the quote was the same in The Silmarillion, but of course it's not. If this rather liberal assumption runs afoul of the current interpretation of the rules, please accept my apologies for stalling the thread for approx. 3 weeks.

OK, full disclosure over. I do have a question, but lacking a ruling from this august body on my aforementioned assumption, will not presume the latitude....

[Marky Lazer]

I believe it's also in Silmarillion, is it not? But I simply at Children at hand. So I allow your question, mainly because I don't have none

Maybe it's time to include The History of Middle-earth series? I don't even have all the books *gasps* but it would make room for new questions...

[Grimward]

Morgoth's cursing of Hurin & his kin is in The Silmarillion, of course, but not as I quoted it.

From Silmarillion:

Then Morgoth cursed Hurin and Morwen and their offspring, and set a doom upon them of darkness and sorrow; and taking Hurin from prison he set him in a chair of stone upon a high place of Thangorodrim. There he was bound by the power of Morgoth, and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again; and he said 'Sit now there; and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom thou lovest. Thous hast dared to mock me , and to question the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes thou shalt see, and with my ears thou shalt hear; and never shalt thou move from this place until all is fulfilled unto its bitter end.'
And so it came to pass; but it is not said that Hurin asked ever of Morgoth either mercy or death, for himself or for any of his kin.

Children of Hurin has two entire pages building up to the same paragraph that are not to be found in The Silmarillion. Amongst them is the following, containing the quote I had in mind:

'You say it', said Morgoth. 'I am the Elder King: Melkor, first and mightiest of all the Valar, who was before the world, and made it. The shadow of my purpose lies upon Arda, and all that is in it bends slowly and surely to my will. But upon all who you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of Doom, and it shall bring them down into darkness and despair. Wherever they go, evil shall arise. Whenever they speak, their words shall bring ill counsel. Whatsoever they do shall turn against them. They shall die without hope, cursing both life and death.'

[Grimward]

Right, then. I will be out of town starting this coming Monday, and will not be anywhere I can post...

*A Great and Loud Cheer erupts from The Chrons*

....so this one will be capped (with an answer) by Sunday Evening, 6/29/08, at 10:00 pm Eastern Standard Time if no answer preempts it, in the interest of not holding the thread hostage any further.

It probably is easy for the founders, too.

Name Tolkien's refuted creature of Habit.


*Having (I think!) successfully added Children of Hurin to the list of Accepted Books (we await your confirmation, oh green one), creeps away from the thread softly (the thought of having to purchase the Histories of Middle Earth weighing him down.....)*

[pyan]

By all means, add TCoH to the List of books that the question can refer to, but I would draw the line at The History of Middle-earth. It's just too big, and unless everyone who plays has all the series, I can see the thread degenerating into a series of self-answered questions.

Discussion?

[Grimward]

While I don't own them, I have cracked the covers while engaging in a habit I'm sure is shared; previewing the book at length in the book store, of course (Speaking of which, sounds like a new thread....presuming I don't find it already!).

From what I've read, I think we'd have to have Chris Tolkien himself arbiter the trivia submissions!

Will of course meekly defer to those who own the books....

[Marky Lazer]

How about adding a History part every now and then, starting only with The Book of Lost Tales Part I for now?

(I'll leave the question for now, in order to discuss this first. I don't think you should give the answer on Sunday by any means, Grim)

[Grimward]

OK, then. The question will stay.

I don't own Lost Tales, but buying 1 book beats buying 12!

[Marky Lazer]

Originally Posted by Grimward

OK, then. The question will stay.

I don't own Lost Tales, but buying 1 book beats buying 12!

Not true. Buying twelve books will always beat buying one (unless it's twelve lousy ones versus one good one, but the way you said it, twelve's definitely better!)

Anyway, we've officially added Children of Húrin to the list of sources, see bottom of this post: The Tolkien Quoting Trivia

Bur for now, I'm drawing a blank at your question... Now where's my Thinking Hat?

[Grimward]

Tick, tick, tick, tick.......looking for one word, plus the substantiating reference.

Name Tolkien's refuted creature of Habit

Twelve books, agreed, is better in a generic sense, but not when you can only justify one (currently) from a funding perspective.