Current Stand-In's

[Boaz]

I'm not really sure what I'm trying to achieve with this thread... I mean my ideas are not really thought out. I guess I'm just trying to get your opinions and ideas on what will happen with the following characters.

Currently, a number of characters have imposters posing as them and others have adopted disguises to protect themselves. Arya is being impersonated by Jeyne Poole. Pate, the apprentice maester, is being impersonated by someone with great powers. While Quentyn goes to find Dany, I assume someone is pretending to be him at Yronwood. Mance's son is... let me make a list.

Character = Impersonator
Arya Stark = Jeyne Poole
Pate = Unknown
Mance's son = Craster's son
Quentyn Martell = a Dornishman
Jeyne (Westerling) Stark = Unknown

Disguise = Character
Alayne Stone = Sansa Stark
Arry, Weasel, Cat, etc. = Arya Stark
Sellsword = Quentyn Martell
Alleras = Sarella

I also assume Edric Storm, Varys, Brynden Tully, and Qyburn have or will soon adopt disguises. Jorah Mormont may join this list, I don't know.

In addition, some characters are hidden. Few people even know of their existence or significance. These include Bran, Rickon, Gendry, Mya Stone, Bella the whore, and Tyrion.

Do you have strong feelings regarding the resolution of any of these imposters, disguises, or hidden characters? Do you have more characters to add to the lists? Is Loras actually fit and hale, just waiting to be unleashed upon the Lannisters?

[TK-421]

Well, I'll grasp that straw, Boaz, just to talk about something other than St. Peter's Square...the only ones I can say will or may have an impact on the final outcome are Sansa/Alayne, Arya, Quentyn and Pate. The others are likely of little importance.

[Weasel Soup]

Boaz, I was under the impression that concensus believed that Pate was Jaqen.

And if I stay on schedule I may add one to the disguise = character list by Friday.

TK, I think that Alleras = Sarella may become rather important too.

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

[quote=Boaz;855233]
Character = Impersonator
Arya Stark = Jeyne Poole
Pate = Unknown
Mance's son = Craster's son
Quentyn Martell = a Dornishman
Jeyne (Westerling) Stark = Unknown

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Jeyne (Westerling) Stark is not really her?? I step a away for a while and once again BOAZ turns my world upside down. What makes you think she is not really on her way to Casterly Rock? I thought she was last seen in the care of the same Lannister men that were guarding Edmure. If it's not her where is she, with the Blackfish? And why would her mom pretend the imposter was her and risk the wrath of the Lannisters?

OK, I guess I missed something here , please spoon feed the Mtn the info I should have noticed one of the 3 times I read those chapters.

*lowers head in shame*

[AandKsavetheDAY]

MTR, I'm right with you there; but the more I thought of it as i read that chapter, I was really thinking that it would bring a lot of complications to the story if Jeyne was pregnant, and that would also be a reason why Brynden held the Riverrun for so long and continued to fly the direwolf banner. Or that could have all been defiance and Jeyne is Jeyne. I'm not sure they would have a girl so dedicated to pretending to be Jeyne that she ran away crying when asked about 'her' late husband.. Oh my, this complicates things. But I was kinda thinking that Rickon might take Robb's place, for some reason, as he's already a (sort of) established character. If Jeyne did have a child, the kid wouldn't get to play too much of a role because he'd (I'm assuming here) still be a toddler when the series ends.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

MTR,

About the only evidence for Jeyne being NotJeyne is Cats impression of her being one with "child bearing hips" (to paraphrase) and the Jaime later describes her as being willowy and slender when he meets her and her mother. Was there something about the eye color? Or am I getting something confused....I chalk this one up to writer/editor oversight and move on.

Regardless the impostor is a consummate pro, shredding her dress, wailing unconsolably and apparently tricking her power-hungry treacherous mother....so Im not buying it....but prepare yourself for the onslaught of people that say otherwise

[Boaz]

We don't know who the person impersonating Pate is... Assuming he's the guy who killed Pate in the prologue of AFFC, then he has powers that Jaqen never showed. The only supernatural powers Jaqen displayed were changing his appearance and making the dog kill it's owner in Harrenhal. Fake Pate seems to be able to change appearance and also paralyze people. I dunno.

Jeyne (Westerling) Stark... in ASOS, Catelyn appraises Jeyne's worth by the width of her hips while Jaime, in AFFC, thinks she's skinny. Two different perspectives about the same person. It's not conclusive to be sure. But the only times we see Jeyne in AFFC is in the presence of her mother, Jaime, and Lannister guards. She appears when she's leaving Riverrun for Casterly Rock, but she's hooded and Jaime can't see her face.

I can't imagine that certain people at Casterly Rock won't be able to see through the charade, so Lady Westerling is buying her daughter's freedom with her own life and perhaps punishment for her husband and her brother, Rolph Spicer the new Lord Castamere. Unless, Lady Westerling cooked this whole scheme up with Lord Tywin's approval just to bring down the Young Wolf.

I dunno what to believe about this story line. It comes down to this... either Lady Westerling sacrificed her daughter for the rest of her family or she's sacrificing her family for her daughter. Remember Jaime did wonder how much Lord Westerling knew of Lady Westerling's scheming.

[AandKsavetheDAY]

How would it advance the story if the Jeyne Jaime saw was not really Jeyne? There is some evidence, and it would complicate things, but wouldn't it kinda be expanding on an issue that is dead already? I just think it might complicate things too much to properly expand on in the books grrm has left. I might be wrong, though.

[Young stormlord]

Person impersonating Pate is the same person who impersonated Jaquen. I'm thinking about fat man in Braavos (you know, the one which Arya was serving wine).

About Jeyne...
Jeyne is Jeyne and that's it. Do you really think that her witch mother would give moon tea ("fertility potion") to Jeyne and than say "My daughter got pregnant anyway and I have to hide her from Lannisters". Very unlikely.

[YOSSARIAN]

Originally Posted by Young stormlord

Person impersonating Pate is the same person who impersonated Jaquen. I'm thinking about fat man in Braavos (you know, the one which Arya was serving wine).

About Jeyne...
Jeyne is Jeyne and that's it. Do you really think that her witch mother would give moon tea ("fertility potion") to Jeyne and than say "My daughter got pregnant anyway and I have to hide her from Lannisters". Very unlikely.

I disagree. I believe in the fake Jeyne scenario. Lady Westerling's intentions and desires matter very little due to the fact that they are (were) at Riverrun and the Blackfish is probably behind any plot to sneak the real Jeyne away.

[TK-421]

I'm unsure about the whole Jeyne question. But, why else would the Blackfish flee instead a facing his doom unless he was fleeing with a pregnant Jeyne to hide the heir to the King in the North?

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I'm unsure about the whole Jeyne question. But, why else would the Blackfish flee instead a facing his doom unless he was fleeing with a pregnant Jeyne to hide the heir to the King in the North?

Now imagine this scene:

You are Blackfish. Your king is dead.You are vassal (spelling?)of the guy who got captured by Lanisters (again).Your castle is surounded by army of mentioned before + Frays. The only thing you have now is a word you gave to your dead king. He asked you to keep his wife safe and you said fine she'll be safe. You have enough food to be there for 2 years. But then something is changed. Jaime Lannister, guy without honor, comes to negotiate. He says:
You have two choices. I'll give you Edmure and you give me castle and Jeyne and her mother. Nothing will happen to them. Or I'll send your friends on you then Frays than Lannisters. Everybody will dye.

What would you do? Listen Edmure or die?

If you still think he and Jeyne are out there than think about this:
Jeyne (pregnant) must be a very good swimmer.Lannisters that know real Jeyne must get fooled. Forly Presster (spelling?) clearly says (when talking about Jeyne) Gavenn's little. Would you talk like that about someone that you don't know?