Origins within Midkemia

[woodsman]

Cheers Vencar, Thats settled that! I seem to remember in the same book that Nakor suggests that the Gods gradually take on some of the aspects of those who worship them? Is this the case or am I just dreaming stuff up?

[Fake Vencar]

It is the case. He talks about cavemen worshiping fire, which turns into a god of fire: Prandur.

[woodsman]

I'm not crzy then...

Thanks again for that, I ought to read the serpentwar again!, spose I should read Darkwar first though.

[Fat DeMon]

nakor says that basically the gods are thee because people made them, the fire example - they create the identity of prandur, which is a conscious being. when people stop thinking this way aka they stop worshiping, the god dies (like the good goddess and sarig)

[Fake Vencar]

Nakor's always right so what about the two blind gods of creation? Surely then someone or some race must have been around before the universe started: the city forever? Or was the universe just the Big Bang and there were no gods of creation?

[woodsman]

Wern't the Gods also beings created by the universe to try and get a greater sense of self, this is what Nakor conjectures in that the universe is THE god and everything else is an experiment so this God can learn. Perhaps this is how the two blind gods came about which the Valheru then worshiped to maintain them.

I don't think Nakor is always right. When he says he knows something, then it's true, however crazy it might sound. However sometimes in RoDK and SoaBC he puts forward theories which he cannot confirm, after all he has now given up the codex of the god of knowledge so can no longer answer those questions when he wishes.

[Fake Vencar]

My mistake, Nakor isn't always right like i said. I've just read RoaDK so i should remember but i didn't...

I think Nakor says that the universe isn't the God, the God made this universe to try and experiment like you said.

[Balinor]

Originally Posted by Fake Vencar

Their father was the original Upright Man, a surly and evil chandler called Donald, who had a shop down by the south point near the palace.

I am the shadow that stalks your every move
I am the one that controls the people that can murder you in your sleep
I am the one with more power than those who rule your lives
I am ...... Donald

[Hawke]

Originally Posted by Fat DeMon

nakor says that basically the gods are thee because people made them, the fire example - they create the identity of prandur, which is a conscious being. when people stop thinking this way aka they stop worshiping, the god dies (like the good goddess and sarig)

Wasn't the Good Goddess killed which made people stop worshipping her?

There's still fragments and "dreams" of the Good goddess around, I believe Kaspar meets a "dream" of the good goddess who gives him a token so that he can speak to the gods in The Exile's Return....

I know that there are now worshipers of the Good Goddess just not enough to make her return yet...at the end of the Serpentwar Nakor created that Church didn't he?


To Fake Vencar, I don't think its revealed how the city forever is created, although Pug and Nakor have several theories, I believe one involves Marcros creating it to be the only place that he and Nakor and Pug etc could discuss Nalar without causing him to return...

As for people having to be around for gods to exists e.g. the two blind gods of chaos, I don't think gods have to have worshipers because it says somewhere that there were 7 elders gods (I think its 7) and 93 younger gods, and the younger gods were created by the elder gods....which seems to suggest that worshipers aren't needed..

[woodsman]

I think in someways people stopped because the good goddess was killed but it's suggested that people were stopping before that. Thus one of the reasons she hasn't returned is due to the fact that people do not like to follow a good or right path, which would benifit her, as much as one which leads to power or wealth etc despite costs.

The return of Arch-Indar is estimated to take at the very least; tens of centuries. the Ishapians are tryig to do a similar thing for Ishap and they're the biggest and most powerful temple and have been around for centuries and yet are nowhere near completing their task...

[Fake Vencar]

Arr!! All these god talks remind me to much of Religious Education at School!!!

Remember reading in one of the Serpentwar books that Nakor suggested that Pug could have created the City Forever in the future. And that is why its there at the start

[woodsman]

Yuppo he says no-one knows why it is it just is and that theory is one he thinks of as possible.

[Hawke]

I think the idea of Pug creating it in the future may well end up being true, as we can already see Pug's manipulating the past with his box of notes.

[woodsman]

Good call.....

[Fake Vencar]

I'll be contradicting myself here, but this would be a big undertaking in Pug's part in the future. The place is huge and no one with that era of history if we compare it with our own could do it. I still believe Pug did it, but surely the whole world of Midkemia would advance by ages. Pug would certainly be powerful by that time... it scares me