Deathly Hallows - who's going to die?

[PTeppic]

Originally Posted by HBP

To help support the above theory, this is something i considered. Everytime Fawkes the phoenix sense that Dumbledore and persons close to Dumbledore is in mortal danger he shows up. Why did he not appear to try and save Dumbledore as he did when Voldemort sent the killing curse after Dumbledore and as he did in the Chamber of Secrets. That is because he was ordered not to. There are too many things supporting the idea that Dumbledore is still alive. JK would certainly not leave the death open to so many possibilities that Dumbedore is still alive.

Although personally I believe the theory, or something very close to it, is what will be revealed in book 7 - there is logically also a flip-side to your argument above. That is, Dumbledore knows he has to die (in line with those following the argument "it says in the book he did, so it's true") to help Harry in long run, perhaps by forcing Snape to become a murdered or whatever.. but he knows he has to die and therefore prohibits Fawkes from interfering.

[Majimaune]

Originally Posted by HBP

JK would certainly not leave the death open to so many possibilities that Dumbedore is still alive.

I think she would so as there are so many people thinking that he is alive and then find out is is truely dead (as he is). I believe that there is no possible way Dumby could have survived.

Also I think PTeppic person has a realitively valid point.

[PTeppic]

Perhaps a valid question is, if I were JKR, writing a book FOR KIDS, would I kill off an important character, perhaps most the most magically gifted wizard in the canon, at an enormously important point to allow Snivellus to worm his way into Voldemort's circle (i.e. politics), OR, would I use a traditional literary bluff that the kids will probably not have seen before, to make a hugely positive and helpful reappearance (of an influential and powerful ally) at a critical moment in the final book (and still have helped Snape get into Voldemort's circle)?

[Majimaune]

I would take the second one if it were me but then I'm not JK...or am I (no we will NOT go through this again Upright)

[KiwiBird]

According to the hacker its hermione and hagrid.
Though when you read what he has posted an Insecure.Org - Nmap Free Security Scanner, Tools & Hacking resources you'll see its all very laughbale and almost certainly a hoax, i mean come on the last bit about draco starting to make a horcrux for profit...

[manutd]

am not going through all the posts but i think any of these would die or would do something important:

snape... still in debt for being saved by james so hel jump in a spell (if hes a idiot it wont be the abra kadabra curse.. sorry dont know the exact spellin for real thing, lol)

wormtail (who thinks he shoulda been called rattail) is not going to die for harry.... harry didnt save his life, if any of you read he said "il let the dementors have you".... weird but i always thought of that as a bad thing :P

i dont know but has anyone thought of krum as a inside spy for the death eaters? getting information from hermione....

grawp will die for hagrid, i guess the centaurs come for hagrid.

trewlawny gets kidnapped (weird but might happen)

and i think Dumbledore is going to help harry through his portrait... and that he was telling snape to kill him through leglimacy and occlumency thingies

... not bothered to think of more things



but the locket was sold by murdungus and regulus is a idiot for taking it from there cuz that means dumbley dies for no reason....

oooo
a thought hit me now, can that hufflepuff cup be the homething cup won by gettin most points? or the cup for the tri-wizard tournament...

[Majimaune]

No I don't think so. It was in a private collection and I'm sure it would have been mentioned before.

[tawnylyra]

I know this is long, sorry about that.

Ok, right after I read the 6th Harry Potter book I went straight into denial, because how could Dumbledore be dead, right?

Plus, there were signs that made me think he was going to reappear, like the fact that his tomb burst into flames (a phoenix rises from the ashes, reborn?). However, eventually, once I got over the shock of him having died (and the whole way that it actually happened) I thought about it some more.

Harry Potter’s parent’s died protecting him. Sirius also died in an attempt to save Harry. Then Dumbledore. All are protective/parental sorts of figures and all died for Harry. This makes me think that (even though it’s not exactly fair) that it’s time Harry was forced to stand on his own two feet and face these evils himself. Yes, he will most likely have Ron and Hermione there helping but they will be fighting WITH him, which is not the same as protecting him and fighting for him.

Even Harry realized this, at the end of Book 6:

“And Harry saw very clearly as he sat there under the hot sun how people who cared about him had stood in front of him one by one, his mother, his father, his godfather, and finally Dumbledore, all determined to protect him; but now that was over. He could not let anybody else stand between him and Voldemort; he must abandon forever the illusion he ought to have lost at the age of one, that the shelter of a parent’s arms meant that nothing could hurt him. There was no waking from this nightmare, no comforting whisper in the dark that he was safe really, that it was all in his imagination; the last and greatest of his protectors had died, and he was more alone that he had ever been before.”

That a direct excerpt from my hardback edition published in USA
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Page 645
Chapter 30, “The White Tomb”

I think that Dumbledore’s death was JK Rowlings finally push to force Harry into . . . I don’t want to say adulthood, but the final act that made him realize HE has to face Voldemort, that HE had to move on, that he can’t stand around and wait for someone else to do it. If Dumbledore was still alive then Harry would always have that in the back of his mind, that if something went terribly wrong, Dumbledore could come save him. Now he knows that he can’t, and won’t, and has to move on.

If she does pull Dumbledore back into the game at the last minute, so he can save the day, well . . . then I’m going to be disappointed. That will really diminish Harry’s (and possibly Ron and Hermione’s) final battle if he doesn’t even do it himself, right? If he just stands there and lets Dumbledore do the job.

I do believe 100% that Dumbledore’s death wasn’t all that it seemed to be, however. I do think that it was either planned beforehand, or him and Snape possibly communicated magically right there at the tower top and Dumbledore told Snape to kill him, for whatever reason.

It may be that Dumbledore will reappear in some other form, perhaps help through his painting, or through Fawkes, who knows? But I really don’t think that he didn’t die/or that he is going to fully resurrect in some manner.

Besides that, during a charity reading/interview in New York, 2006,JK Rowling flat out said that Dumbledore is dead.

After searching around the internet I finally found a video clip (Part 2) of that reading/interview.

Around minute 6, someone is asking a really long winded question (that involves him saying he believes Dumbledore is still alive, that his death was really a ruse him and Snape put together) and in response JK Rowlings actual words are: “. . . But I see that I need to be a little more explicit, and say that Dumbledore is definitely dead” and she even adds that “all of you need to move through the five stages of grief and I’m just helping you get past denial.”

In the Harry Potter world, what JK Rowling says is what the real deal is, so . . . Dumbledore is dead, as much as that sucks.

Here is a link to that video clip (the quote she says about Dumbledore being dead is around minute 6):

The Harry Potter Video Galleries: Video - An Evening with Harry Carrie and Garp - Part 2

[Mithridelle]

Has anyone listened to MuggleNet.com's Mugglecasts? On one of the podcasts (I forget which one) It was mentioned that one of the commentators had obtained the manuscript of Deathly Hallows because he singed up for a proof-reading thingy with Schoolastic. Apparently he found a loop in the conditions and sent it to his fellow Mugglecasters and at the end of one of the podcasts they said who dies...
!SPOILER!
Ron and Hermione

I stopped listening shortly after that, but they said that reflecting back on what they had just read, they said that they could see why their deaths were neccessary...
I don't know whether this is true or not, but anyone got anything to say about that?

Mithridelle

[PTeppic]

I would be very surprised if Rowling's crack legal team had made any holes in the proof-reading contracts, especially after last books prosecuted leaks. The proof-reading side of the business has been going on for years, so I doubt it has room for errors any more (on the legal side, anyway!).

[Mithridelle]

Apparently, the main condition was that he could'nt tell anybody in person. So he recorded the entire story via a voice recorder and sent tapes to them; therefore, not directly violating the terms of the contract.

[Majimaune]

I don't think it is true. I doubt there would be a loop like that. It is quite a big one so not exactly hard to miss. Not to tell anyone in person so does that mean you could ring someone because it is not in person but over the phone. Nope it's not true the loop is too big. One of them will die though (possibly)

[Joel007]

What confuses me is why anyone who loves the books so much would wish to spoil their discovery of the ending; by condensing it from many chapters to simply a name or two.
Where's the fun in that?
I also don't believe any of the supposed leaks anyway, so let's just wait until the the book is actually published. (And even then don't post spoilers unless they are suitably labelled and you have some constructive discussion in mind)

[Majimaune]

Agreed. I had something else to say but I forget. Oh yeah thats right. 19 days to go! For people in Aussieland anyway.

[Mithridelle]

Woo-hoo! Are you going to see it first up or wait a while for the crowds to subside? I'm going to the very first session!