Question re Secret Keepers...

[Leisha]

Okay, I've read it. Thanks!

But I've realised it's a paradox. From reading the excerpt I posted in my first post, it sounds as if it was the house under the charm, not the Potters themselves. If this is the case, however, then the bit in the book that HoopyFood pointed out, about Voldemort pressing his nose against the glass, couldn't work; the house would be invisible, just like Grimauld Place was to Harry at first. So Voldemort wouldn't be able to press his nose up against the glass -- he wouldn't be able to see a house there! Or so I'm assuming...

Therefore, the only conclusion is that it's the Potters themselves that are under the charm. But then Harry would be invisible/hidden from everyone since he, I think, is still under the charm!

Aaaargh!

I'll just pretend I never came up with this... Or even better, I'm just going to convince myself that once his parents died, that broke the charm for everyone, including Harry (even though I can't see that happening because it would kind of be pointless: three people under the charm. Two die, leaving the other now vulnerable. Seems a bit silly, since everyone needs protecting, regardless of who could die. You'd think the charm would acknowledge the chance of some people being killed whilst under its effects, thus leaving the others still protected...)

*whistles* What topic? I never asked a question...

BTW - I love your username Hoopy! Just kind of rolls off the tongue...

[bruno-1012]

Simple solution to all this - Wormtail told him the secret.

[Leisha]

Originally Posted by bruno-1012

Simple solution to all this - Wormtail told him the secret.

Told who? Harry? I don't think that would have an effect. If you mean Voldemort, I could possibly see that working. Maybe the spell hid the Potters from everyone, with the spefic intention to hide them from Voldemort. Thus, when Voldemort heard the secret, the spell was void.

[Majimaune]

Ok I get it all now (just had to reread the whole thread).

I never thought of the being hidden was from everyone. I thought it was only from the person that you didnt want to find you. So for the Potters that would have been Death Eaters and Voldy. Since Wormtail was a D.E. he could tell the others then they could see them as well.

With 12 Grimould Place it was hidden to everyone who didnt know the address of it and all muggles.

[Leisha]

Originally Posted by Majimaune

Ok I get it all now (just had to reread the whole thread).

I never thought of the being hidden was from everyone. I thought it was only from the person that you didnt want to find you. So for the Potters that would have been Death Eaters and Voldy. Since Wormtail was a D.E. he could tell the others then they could see them as well.

I thought it would have to be everyone, since at the time Dumbledore suspected someone from the good side to be passing on info to the Deatheaters (a.k.a. Wormtail). So until they knew who to trust, the Potters would have to be hidden from everyone, just in case. Remember, even Remus suspected Sirius, and vice-versa.

And I'm not sure a spell could only detect "Deatheaters and Voldemort". If it could, they'd have rounded up all the V. supporters and done it on them, thus finding out who was loyal and who was not. Actually, wouldn't that make the books so much shorter if they could?! It would've saved Harry so much trouble...

With 12 Grimould Place it was hidden to everyone who didnt know the address of it and all muggles.

So everyone, then!

[HoopyFrood]

Originally Posted by Leisha

BTW - I love your username Hoopy! Just kind of rolls off the tongue...

Thanks...I like it too

And yes, I am a "really amazingly together" girl

[Majimaune]

Originally Posted by Leisha

So everyone, then!

Yeah except the Order Of The Phoenix.

[Crazihors]

Hagrid said in PS that the Potters had already gone into hiding, and maybe that was before Harry was born, so the spell wouldn't have included him. could it be like making the house unplottable, like Hogwarts? Hermy says in one of the books that if a muggle went to hogwarts they would just see it as a pile of ruins - which is what Godric's hollow was described as in PS. prehaps their bodies were seen because the spell no longer protected them, being dead.
Which has just madew me think of something else - hogwarts could be under the fidelius charm as well (up til HBP) - the letters inviting new students to the school were written by Dumbles (i'm assuming), which would mean that nobody who had been invited would be able to come - of course, that isn't much of a defence seeing as most of the death eaters went to hogwarts anyway...

has anyone thought of the implications for harry trying top find Godric's Hollow? he was only 1 at the time, so he can't remember it...

[Majimaune]

Godric's Hollow I am presuming is a small village or something like that so he would be able to find it on a map.

[xander838]

i thought that the 'Fidelius Charm' that was used to hide Lily and James was used to hide the location they were staying at so the charm would have been on the house not the Potters themselves the same way it was used on Grimauld Place to hide the HQ of the Order

[Leisha]

Yes, and that was my point: If the house was under Fidelius, who could actually *find* the Potters on the night of their death? The house, even if the people are dead, should still be under the charm. And presuming Wormtail didn't divulge the house's location to anyone other than Voldemort and the Death Eaters, the Potters' bodies should have remained hidden to Hagrid, Sirius, and anyone else who came to find them...


Then again, the house did get destroyed, so perhaps that broke the charm. The only trouble with that is [see post number 16].



You know, I find it easier not to think on it too much.

[mirinda]

Actually I think certain people were told by wormtail where they were. Other people could know they just couldn't tell anyone else, only wormtail could tell. So they could see the Potters as long as wormtail told them.

[xander838]

Originally Posted by Leisha

Okay, I've read it. Thanks!

But I've realised it's a paradox. From reading the excerpt I posted in my first post, it sounds as if it was the house under the charm, not the Potters themselves. If this is the case, however, then the bit in the book that HoopyFood pointed out, about Voldemort pressing his nose against the glass, couldn't work; the house would be invisible, just like Grimauld Place was to Harry at first. So Voldemort wouldn't be able to press his nose up against the glass -- he wouldn't be able to see a house there! Or so I'm assuming...

i see what you mean about this, if it was the same as Grimauld Place then Voldemort pressing his nose up against the glass would not work, but i would have thought that, that quote was just metaphorically speeaking that he could be right outside and not see them.

Your point about the house being destroyed, i agree i would think that it would break the charm when the object(in this case the house) was destroyed

[Majimaune]

Yes I think that the destroying of the house would brake the charm. Also isn't there something in the sixth one where Dumbledore dies and that body-bind one that he puts on Harry lifts.

[xander838]

yeah, your right the spell that Dumbledore cast on Harry was broke when Dumbledore died