star wars vs star trek the video

[Somni]

I have read that technologically star trek wins in a straight comparisson because their shields are impervious to star wars weapons (can't remember the reasons given). However, I find it interesting that star wars is supposed to be 'a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away' and star trek is in our future. I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to estimate the technological progression between the two eras for the star wars galaxy?

[Majimaune]

Somni I'm sure someone somewhere has tried.

[Lore]

lol seen this ages ago, so awesome

[sarakoth]

Originally Posted by Somni

I have read that technologically star trek wins in a straight comparisson because their shields are impervious to star wars weapons (can't remember the reasons given). However, I find it interesting that star wars is supposed to be 'a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away' and star trek is in our future. I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to estimate the technological progression between the two eras for the star wars galaxy?

Actually, the shields in Star Trek are rather weak, unable to withstand a couple disruptor shots from a Borg cube.

[nomad45]

Hi Been enjoying the debate here.
Let me start by saying I love Star Trek And Star wars. Having been raised by both.

issue 1
Federation shield Tech being Quite week.

You didn't see St Voy Endgame did you?
the new shielding including the deployable oblative armor renders the borg weapons marginal at best.then there's the new Torpedo's one torpedo one cube bites the dust.
besides the weapons in question have to be quite powerfull to even get through the navigation shiels alone. it takes quite a bit more to get through the defensive shields.
Different Universes different tech altogether.

issue 2
Ok. sheer firepower over all the Federation vs. Empire. Empire of course. But I take issue with the notion that one destroyer has more firepower than the entire Borg collective.
You're gonna have to back that one up.


Now for all the firepower of the Empire, They're not to bright, and too arrogant for thier own good. Completley convinced of thier own superiority,and invincibility which was after all part of thier undoing. and thoes are the ones who weren't drafted or conscripted.

Whereas the federation crew members Very motivated very commited to excellence in every field .Every one Highly educated over achievers. Each Ship manned by such dedicated iduviduals working together with each ships (to us) nearly sentient super computer cores who have overcome countless races all bent on wipeing the floor with them. mannaged to come through smelling like a rose and looking sharp diong it.

Now the tech.With the capabilities of the average Federation Starship being capable of incredible feats and brilliant manouvers that would surely catch the goostepping Nazi like Imperials up short.
Now these are the average ships mind you.
Lets get into the battle cruisers ,heavy battle ships the dreadnaught class and the
promethius class multi vector attack ships. not to mention the Akira class carrier type ships that do carry fighter wings much better than the Empire ever dreamed. each one worth twenty standard tie fighters. in my opinion. I Believe 1 Akira class can and would
quite handily split open an average Imperial star destroyer. by dent of superior manourverability and the newer shields and armor and the phasers plus the miriad of projectile weapons. However a couple of good shots from a destroyers main cannons would probably severly dammage it. so the plan is dont be there. heh beam out the command crew now you have an almost paralised Star destroyer.

As for a Death Star well good thing there arn't many of those running around.
there are banned technologies that could effectively take one out. say a Genisis device?
Problematic but entirely effective in turning the crew of the Death star into goo.
So yea. there are possibilities.

[sarakoth]

Originally Posted by nomad45

Hi Been enjoying the debate here.
Let me start by saying I love Star Trek And Star wars. Having been raised by both.

issue 1
Federation shield Tech being Quite week.

You didn't see St Voy Endgame did you?
the new shielding including the deployable oblative armor renders the borg weapons marginal at best.then there's the new Torpedo's one torpedo one cube bites the dust.
besides the weapons in question have to be quite powerfull to even get through the navigation shiels alone. it takes quite a bit more to get through the defensive shields.
Different Universes different tech altogether.

issue 2
Ok. sheer firepower over all the Federation vs. Empire. Empire of course. But I take issue with the notion that one destroyer has more firepower than the entire Borg collective.
You're gonna have to back that one up.


Now for all the firepower of the Empire, They're not to bright, and too arrogant for thier own good. Completley convinced of thier own superiority,and invincibility which was after all part of thier undoing. and thoes are the ones who weren't drafted or conscripted.

Whereas the federation crew members Very motivated very commited to excellence in every field .Every one Highly educated over achievers. Each Ship manned by such dedicated iduviduals working together with each ships (to us) nearly sentient super computer cores who have overcome countless races all bent on wipeing the floor with them. mannaged to come through smelling like a rose and looking sharp diong it.

Now the tech.With the capabilities of the average Federation Starship being capable of incredible feats and brilliant manouvers that would surely catch the goostepping Nazi like Imperials up short.
Now these are the average ships mind you.
Lets get into the battle cruisers ,heavy battle ships the dreadnaught class and the
promethius class multi vector attack ships. not to mention the Akira class carrier type ships that do carry fighter wings much better than the Empire ever dreamed. each one worth twenty standard tie fighters. in my opinion. I Believe 1 Akira class can and would
quite handily split open an average Imperial star destroyer. by dent of superior manourverability and the newer shields and armor and the phasers plus the miriad of projectile weapons. However a couple of good shots from a destroyers main cannons would probably severly dammage it. so the plan is dont be there. heh beam out the command crew now you have an almost paralised Star destroyer.

As for a Death Star well good thing there arn't many of those running around.
there are banned technologies that could effectively take one out. say a Genisis device?
Problematic but entirely effective in turning the crew of the Death star into goo.
So yea. there are possibilities.

The thing is that, according to official handbooks, the raw firepower of Star Wars is ASTRONOMICAL. In fact, it is sooo astronomical that nothing in Star Trek short of Q can withstand it. Also, since ships in Star Wars are able to take hits from each other, then the strength of the shields must be equally ridiculous, sooo ridiculous that, again, nothing short of Q can take them.

[Overread]

I think cloaking devivces and teleporters would be the weapons of the Federation (Klingon Alliance)
Things that the empire can't handle - but I think that it would be covert and resistance work, I can't see the Federation surviving a full invasion (almost total lack of ground forces)

[nomad45]

you got an excelent point there. no Starfleet cant really put many troops on the ground However since you bring up the Federation/Klingon alliance in the mix well this changes things a little. A whole population of po'd Klingons Ok.
not bad.

[Overread]

fact is that the Federation is essentialy an exporation and policing force - with the remains of the Klingon Empire for some heavyier fire support. Their strength is in getting battles won without big fights - the dominon war was won only because of their ability to pull together allies in the kick of time.
The Cardassians and Romualns would put up a harsher fight, but I don't think even they have an army large enough - Jemhadar (sp) would be the only possibly force and even then they would have to be breed for generations to get up to clone army numbers - plus its a little unfaire pitting 4 quadrents on a galaxy against 2 quadrents

[nomad45]

Originally Posted by sarakoth

The thing is that, according to official handbooks, the raw firepower of Star Wars is ASTRONOMICAL. In fact, it is sooo astronomical that nothing in Star Trek short of Q can withstand it. Also, since ships in Star Wars are able to take hits from each other, then the strength of the shields must be equally ridiculous, sooo ridiculous that, again, nothing short of Q can take them.

And yet a ragtag ragamuffin rebels and thier poorly funded little warmachine did just fine holding thier own. I love Star Wars like I said. But I didnt see much the Aliance had that could "if they wanted to" do much to the federation. soooooo ok,

[Overread]

I don't think the Alliance was poorly funded - infact I think it was very well funded - but could not operate as indevidual cells - so kept at least one if not a few central units (like Hoth) where resources could be centralised - but even then they could not stand a toe to toe fight with the empire - it was only the loss of the empires full upper command with the loss of the flagship and the emperor that broke the back of the empires warmachine - after that I suspect many of the remiaining captines (not clones) turned and feld the battle over Endor - even if they could have beaten the remaining rebles the empire had no command anymore - it was broken

[nomad45]

Looks like this can go on and on. And I supose it has I will have to look up the history of this particular debate. I didn't realize there was such a rivalry between the two 'verses. On the one hand there is this by this pages definition and almost Omnipotent empire of in my opinion overly arrogant yet nearly inept juggernaught of a fighting force, armed with god like powers at thier disposal.
Each induvidual ship having more firepower at its disposal than the entire Borg collective. When I know that the borg could have easely
destroyed a planet. and I remember a line in A New Hope. "It's been destroyed. Destroyed? Thats impossible, It would take a thousand ships with more firepower than I...." Well we never got to hear the rest of the statement from Han, but one can infer he was about to continue with (Ever seen) so please someone lets get the fictional facts [oxymoron I know] straight here and just for the sake of argument say that we really can't say for sure. This guide says this this article says that. I will always believe that If the Reble Alliance can pull it off, Why couldn't the Federation? It has the resourses. the Brains , the training, And dare I say it Yes the metel to pull it off.
I'm not truely biased here. I havn't truely picked sides ok? I would say it's a tad childish to keep on with [We got this. oh yeah, well we got this.] style argument. It seems no mater what one side comes up with the other side comes up with Oh yeah? Well........
It's kina funny.

[sarakoth]

As for how ASTRONOMICAL the firepower in Star Wars actually is . . .

taken from the official manuals

Star Wars vs Star Trek Essays: Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes

[nomad45]

UNCLE!
UNCLE!
UNCLE!
UNCLE!
UNCLE! You win. I relent. sombody must have forseen this debate long befor I knew it existed. Took a trek manual and vastly overpowerd 'Wars ship by millions to one. OMG!!!
Were all toast. If the empire comes this way the Mighty federation will fall like the bunch
of pansies they really are. you must submit or die.

[Overread]

ps - remember the Federation only has 1 warship -- the Defiant.
The rest are exportation ships and such - even the flagship has less torpedo elements than the Definat