Which movie is the best??.....

[C Of K]

In T3, the terminatrix accessed the internet to discover the locations of John Connor's future generals. The very next scene (I believe) cuts to Kate Brewster in the store with her Fiance, and the checkout machine isn't working. Her father, the General, calls her and mentions something about a problem virus that causes him to cancel his plans to meet Scott.

So the TX's uploading of the virus was basically subtext, as the story never attempted to mention where the virus came from. I don't believe it was coincidence that the TX shows up at the same time as the Skynet virus from the future. It could only come from one place, and since it was in cyberspace, and the movie actually made a thing out of her accessing the internet the way she did, and considering the very next scene, I'm pretty sure she uploaded the virus when she was in the car.

Of course, I believe Terminator has a way out of this "chicken and egg" thing, though the stories never specified it.

Consider T2 and Miles Dyson. His whole work was based off of the first terminator that was destroyed in T1, and his own modern understanding of science. His work was going to father Skynet if nothing was done about it. It would seem that this part of the story suffers from chicken/egg syndrome as well.

Of course we know what happened regarding Miles Dyson's research, but there were likely other effects of his research that couldn't be destroyed by blowing up a building.

Now consider that Skynet is a computer defense system. Nothing too fancy in that statement. But Skynet is the same type of thing that really exists today, only more advanced. So the point is that eventually the government would conceive something along the lines of Skynet's intelligence anyway, be it in 2005 or 2020. So lets say no terminator traveled through time and was destroyed. The government may have conceived Skynet 20 years later, without aid from the future.

So Skynet would eventually exist, and try to take over. Eventually it would send a terminator back in time. When that terminator was destroyed many technological advancements would come out of researching it. All of a sudden the technology to build Skynet is Conceived years, maybe decades earlier.

now the TX hits the scene, uploads the virus, and it seems that man is no longer AS responsible for his own downfall, since the machines from the future are intervening. But, let's not forget that Terminator is partially a story about what our curiosity, studies into science, and our inevitable advancement could cause to happen.

My theory here may have it's cracks, but I don't think it's anything that good writing and a lot of attention couldn't mend.

[Huttman]

Wow, C of K, thank you. I did not think of the 'paradox' with Dyson's research in T2, but that is such a logical explanation for making it all work, I'm impressed. You could very well make anything work in life with that kind of reasoning power you have there. I'll bet any book you wrote would be good and well thought out, too, and I would enjoy it very much. You are a writer, aren't you? Thanks again!

Oh, just an after thought here about not being AS responsible. In for a penny, in for a pound, eh?

[C Of K]

Thanks, Huttman, and you're welcome! Considering that Terminator is a series of three movies (thus far) concerned with time travel, it could have been full of plot holes. Thankfully there are relatively few of those that can't be readily answered at this time.

The one issue I have with the movies (and this springs from the first one, oddly enough) is that after judgment day, Reese claims that the machines kept survivors around to "work" loading bodies.

I have to wonder, what would machines need humans to do work for? especially when the machines could build more efficient means of doing the work. Then there's the probability that those machines would likely not even consider human bodies worth the attention. (although that's just speculation. Maybe they would consider it untidy.)

Originally Posted by Huttman

I'll bet any book you wrote would be good and well thought out, too, and I would enjoy it very much. You are a writer, aren't you?

Thanks! and I hope so, but don't overrate me yet. Sometimes I wonder if the book will ever get done. I'm learning all the time, and changing things constantly. The story grows, yet it often seems I'm getting nowhere fast.

Oh, just an after thought here about not being AS responsible. In for a penny, in for a pound, eh?

Heh. No doubt. In the world of Terminator, we can only blame ourselves for the fate of the world. Of course, this is not always the case with everything that befalls people, but it shows the power our actions have, and could have. No one can blame the machines for carrying out the programing power we gave them.

[HanaBi]

Much as I liked T2 for its sfx, robust characters and rip-roaring story I regard T1 as the best, given that it was made on a miniscule budget with a relatively unknown actor headlining.

T1 was a marvellously original film: T2 improved on that but only because the producers knew that the demand was there to do such a sequel and thus pulled out all the stops in terms of budget. Much in the same way that I prefer Alien over Aliens. Alien was the original concept that worked in a tight budget: Aliens, was the finished product.

[Connavar]

T1 was good.

But T2 is a modern classic. One of the most perfect action movies i have seen. Not only for the action, some scenes was done perfectly with the music,the lines and everything.

The scene in the mental hospital when Sarah is trying to flee and then she sees Terminator for the first time, the way she reacts, the music,the slow motion. That scene is one of the best i have seen in an action movie.

It also has one of the best villains i have seen. Robert Patric perfect for the role.

T2 i would rate as 10/10 for an action and T1 7/10 and T3 3/10

[C Of K]

Originally Posted by Connavar of Rigante

T1 was good.
The scene in the mental hospital when Sarah is trying to flee and then she sees Terminator for the first time, the way she reacts, the music,the slow motion. That scene is one of the best i have seen in an action movie.

I have to agree that this scene was good. However, I like the scene at the Technoir club in T1 better. It was perfect, originated the slow motion sequences used in Terminator movies, and it was when the Terminator methos started really coming to a head for the characters.

Sarah meets Kyle, who she think is trying to kill her (because of two previous reports of Sarah Connors mentioned in the media) until he performs his last second save which result in a night club shoot out.

He blasts the Terminator out the window, coins the, "Come with me if you want to live," dialogue, and then the Terminator rises up for the first time to instigate one of the most suspenseful chase scenes in film history.