3.20: Crossroads, Part Two

[Huttman]

Hey all - I just wanted to add a few thoughts about the final five, or four rather, that we supposedly know about. First off, if all four characters really are cylons, I have to say that Colonel Tighe being one bums me out, the first time since the shows (re)creation. He has been one of my favorite characters in the show because he is one of the most flawed but always, eventually seems to recover or make good. A point here, if he has fought in several, including the first cylon/human war, when excactly did the chrome toasters start making flesh and bone units? He should be in his 50's or maybe early 60's shouldn't he? Sam and Tori (Roslin's assistant) I don't have any feelings one way or the other, but Chief Tyrol being one does not set very well with me either.

O.K. Now the justification in my mind if they all really are cylons. First, they are all unique, meaning there are not multiple copies of them anywhere, which might make them feel better (I know it would me). Second, if the chrome jobs started tampering with human DNA very early on, perhaps they created these 4 or 5 final ones first until they improved designs to mass produce the others. (Six did say they don't speak of them). So possibly our final cylons here might be part human. It might also have been the reason the cylons are self aware. The original mechanical versions in using human DNA might only have been doing so from a strictly logical point of view. Hey - in the end it is just science fiction, things and ideas taken from our world and headlines, hopes, fears and ambitions and put into what I have always thought is a very cool medium to tell stories - outer space. Looking forward to this story continuing...

[ScottSF]

I like the idea of them being unique. The interview did say that these 5 are fundamentally different. That raises the question about Starbuck though because she died and came back; or at least that's what we are led to believe. If her and her ship survived then what's the deal with the wreckage that Apollo saw? I don't understand why people keep saying we only know about 4 when the information in the show was clearly pointing to Starbuck ans #5. But there's still the unanswer question about Baltar and his smart halucinations. If all the the cylons are accounted for, there are still questions about people that know a bit more than the average person or have some connection to the cylons. I wonder why the show veered away from the prophecy stuff. I mean prophecys used to seem very specific to what was going on but they don't seem to be saying much about it recently.

[Huttman]

Thinking back to when Starbuck's viper explodes, I recall she had her hand on the eject lever but Apollo or the audience never saw her eject from the ship unless there was a chance with the "clouds" or ship disintegration one could not see that happening for a dramatic sense. If she was a goner and is indeed a cylon, and also if she literally was there flying a Mark II talking with Apollo, then I'm quite sure if the cylons had a captured Rature, then a Viper would also be a good possibility. Kara did have the flashback episode with her mother, but her Mom did seem to treat her really badly most of the time like she knew something about her but could not share. I do remember her telling her daughter about her special destiny. We will find out, if not soon enough.

Yes, Baltar's invisible Six and Six's invisible Baltar are still a great entertaining mystery to this show, and I do hope they go back to the prophecy I know whats going on thing soon, too. Personally I would also like them to re-visit the one God vs. multiple gods thing...

[Connavar]

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

One of the things RDM mentioned in that interview I posted earlier was the possibility that the End scene Starbuck was actually in Lees head...I love that thought. I think Lee has gone crazy enough to merit one.

One of the source material ideas that Ive seen on the internet in various interviews is that all that is happening has happened before, that this particular rag tag fugitive fleet is just the latest exodus by humans to earth while being chased by cylons.

I think the power outage as they jumped in was caused by whatever Starbuck used to journey to them....thats just a thought.

And get used to those 4 at least being part of the final 5. There were three questions that asked directly or indirectly if those were Cylons and RDM answered unequivocally yes each time. He does say that the final 5 are fundamentally different than the Cylons we've seen so far.

The trial was farce on both sides. I dont even know where to begin so I wont.....but....Conn is right, the prosecution dropped the ball on the trial...but Baltar is guilty of many things but I dont know how much we can blame him for Caprica. He committed Industrial Espionage, violated whatever oath he gave to get a security clearance and has withheld evidence but all that pales in comparison to handing a nuclear weapon over to a known terrorist like he did just before landing on New Caprica. Heck I even think he performed relatively well as president on New Caprica once the Cylons showed (lets not forget he was horribly indolent before they landed). Oh well....hope the next season is less "omg Lee and Kara made sweet love" and more "cylons attack with lasers pew pew".

Man i cant agree more about less "omg Lee and Kara made sweet love" !!


Yeah Baltar giving away the nuke and the fact that he cover for Sharon when he saw she was a cylon cause of the machine that tested people if they were cylons or not.

Just two of many of the crimes he has done. That would put another person in death row. He is a weasel that was protected by people ignorance of him before he became pres and the enemy of all.

[Delvo]

Maybe Starbuck's return means it's always been possible for the humans to resurrect, and they just didn't know it because they were too far away from the resurrection place until now. And that could even have been a deliberate choice their ancestors made, to avoid resurrecting...

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Gah Delvo, and I do mean Gah! (thats the sound someone makes when they have to rethink a whole bunch of crap) That would mean the humans as we know em are the original Humulons, probably created by the Final Five (which is misleading because they more apropriately named the First Five) in their image with the Cylons as some sort of peace keeping force. Then something happened, the cylons threw off the yoke of the 5 and attacked the humans. The maelstrom is then some sort of portal towards earth. Maybe not that safe so not often used. Kara dies in its event horizon, is ressurected on the other side on earth....somehow gets a viper (weak plot point there) and makes it back in time to see Lee.....

Or its one of the before or after Karas (as in all this has happened before) who is allowed to do this thing while she sits in at the precipice of death at the maelstrom in another time....


So confused...Feeling faint....Head is spinning....must drink more whiskey.....

[ScottSF]

"Just let me go. They're waiting for me." Were her last words. I just replayed the explosion frame by frame. There's no doubt about it. Her ship caught fire and exploded, peices flying everywhere. I think I even saw her face in one of the frames. You can see the hatch still in one peice and it looks like a face just to the left of it. Also didn't see anything that look like ejecting. Could see the light in her helmet right up until the end. Whatever happened after, she definitely blew up.

[Brown Rat]

Delvo and Aegon, you both have marvelously twisty minds! What fun, if you turn out to be right!

Anyway, I agree that the Final Five probably are unique, in the sense of there being only one of each of them in existence, rather than being multiple copies like the other Cylons. And I like the idea that they are more human in some way than the other Cylons.

[Huttman]

I just wanted to post a thank you to ScottSF for the play by play about Starbuck's grand exit, I had only seen that episode first run and was going by memory. Has anyone heard anything more on the BSG dvd movie that is supposed to appease us until January?