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Old 18th July 2008, 05:32 PM   #181 (permalink)
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This is the smallest connection I have posted so far. If it is a connection at all then it has dire consequences. If itís not, than itís just a coincidence.

Samís first chapter, AFFC.

Sam handed back the sword. ďWhen I try to swat a bug, it always flies away. All I do is slap my arm. It stings.Ē
That made Jon laugh. ďAs you will. Qhorin could have killed me as easy as you eat a bowl of porridge.Ē Sam was fond of porridge, especially when it was sweetened with honey.

Samís last chapter, also AFFC

ďTell them how wise and good they are. Tell them that Aemon commanded you to put yourself into their hands. Tell them that you have always dreamed that one day you might be allowed to wear the chain and serve the greater good, that service is the highest honor, and obedience the highest virtue. But say nothing of prophecies or dragons, unless you fancy poison in your porridge.Ē Marwyn snatched a stained leather cloak off a peg near the door and tied it tight. ďSphinx, look after this one.Ē

Maybe there is no hidden meaning in this one and Iím looking at this far too deep? Or maybe Marwin saw Sam's soul in that candle ...

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Old 19th July 2008, 04:30 AM   #182 (permalink)
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Lol I don't think that's a deliberate connection, how on earth did you pick up on that?
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Old 19th July 2008, 08:06 AM   #183 (permalink)
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He's totally going to get poisoned with porridge. Or else he and Alleras, a.k.a Sarella Sands, are going to be become fast friends and studious scholars together. Then there's going to be all kinds of drama what with the gender bending and Gilly off on the side.

I think Sam's time in the Citadel is going to become one of the major plot points, if for no other reason than being the perfect setup for an info dump.

I also believe the Mage knows a good deal more than the other maesters about what is transpiring beyond the shores of Westeros. Well obviously, if he has an obsidian candle of his own, as I believe he does. That functions, or rather that he can make work. I just wonder what side he will be on, when Dany lands in the Seven Kingdoms. It is alluded at one point that the maesters of the Citadel had somewhat to do with the death of the Targaryen dragons, possibly because they wished to end the influence of magic.
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Old 19th July 2008, 12:45 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Lol I don't think that's a deliberate connection, how on earth did you pick up on that?
Porridge is not often used word in ASOIAF, especially not within the same POV. Meanwhile, I've found another one.

ACOK, Catelyn meets Renly.

Renly grinned. “Go softly, Lord Randyll, I fear you’re overmatched.” He summoned a steward in the livery of Storm’s End. “Find a place for the lady’s companions, and see that they have every comfort. Lady Catelyn shall have my own pavilion. Since Lord Caswell has been so kind as to give me use of his castle, I have no need of it. My lady, when you are rested, I would be honored if you would share our meat and mead at the feast Lord Caswell is giving us tonight. A farewell feast. I fear his lordship is eager to see the heels of my hungry horde.”
“Not true, Your Grace,” protested a wispy young man who must have been Caswell. “What is mine is yours.”
“Whenever someone said that to my brother Robert, he took them at their word,” Renly said. “Do you have daughters?”
“Yes, Your Grace. Two.”
“Then thank the gods that I am not Robert. My sweet queen is all the woman I desire.” Renly held out his hand to help Margaery to her feet. “We’ll talk again when you’ve had a chance to refresh yourself, Lady Catelyn.”
Renly led his bride back toward the castle while his steward conducted Catelyn to the king’s green silk pavilion. “If you have need of anything, you have only to ask, my lady.”
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The great hall of Lord Caswell’s keep was great only by courtesy, yet room was found on the crowded benches for Catelyn’s men, amidst Renly’s own knights. Catelyn was assigned a place on the dais between red-faced Lord Mathis Rowan and genial Ser Jon Fossoway of the green-apple Fossoways. Ser Jon made jests, while Lord Mathis inquired politely after the health of her father, brother, and children.


AFFC, Samwell, first chapter

The mouse was half as long as his pinky finger, with black eyes and soft grey fur. Sam knew he ought to kill it. Mice might prefer bread and cheese, but they ate paper too. He had found plenty of mouse droppings amongst the shelves and stacks, and some of the leather covers on the books showed signs of being gnawed.

It is such a little thing, though. And hungry. How could he begrudge it a few crumbs? It’s eating books, though . . .

After hours in the chair Sam’s back was stiff as a board, and his legs were half-asleep. He knew he was not quick enough to catch the mouse, but it might be he could squash it. By his elbow rested a massive leather-bound copy of Annals of the Black Centaur, Septon Jorquen’s exhaustively detailed account of the nine years that Orbert Caswell had served as Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. There was a page for each day of his term, every one of which seemed to begin, “Lord Orbert rose at dawn and moved his bowels,” except for the last, which said, “Lord Orbert was found to have died during the night.”

Mayhaps one of the Caswell's fought against Other's and they still know what to do?
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Old 19th July 2008, 10:26 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Mayhaps one of the Caswell's fought against Other's and they still know what to do?

It's a long shot. What is it in the first quote that makes you think that?
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Old 20th July 2008, 03:21 AM   #186 (permalink)
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Maybe. Keep these little connections coming!
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Old 20th July 2008, 03:44 PM   #187 (permalink)
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It's a long shot. What is it in the first quote that makes you think that?
Sorry, I forgot the first line, and without it, this doesn't have much sense. Here it is:
Sam was reading about the Others when he saw the mouse.

His eyes were red and raw. I ought not rub them so much, he always told himself as he rubbed them. The dust made them itch and water, and the dust was everywhere down here. Little puffs of it filled the air every time a page was turned, and it rose in grey clouds whenever he shifted a stack of books to see what might be hiding on the bottom.
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Old 21st July 2008, 11:33 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Sorry, I forgot the first line, and without it, this doesn't have much sense. Here it is:
Sam was reading about the Others when he saw the mouse.

His eyes were red and raw. I ought not rub them so much, he always told himself as he rubbed them. The dust made them itch and water, and the dust was everywhere down here. Little puffs of it filled the air every time a page was turned, and it rose in grey clouds whenever he shifted a stack of books to see what might be hiding on the bottom.
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the rest of the quote.

Sorry for that mess.
Ah... Well maybe then. It's still quite a longshot but I like to believe in these little things. That said, there have to be some meaningless cross references somewhere between certain POVs because otherwise whenever a noble house was mentioned it would be completely new and there would be no end to them.
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Old 22nd July 2008, 12:10 AM   #189 (permalink)
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Well the Starks produced several Lord Commanders, and none of them remember anything about the Others. I don't think its something you can say is a real connection.

Perhaps this was obvious to everyone, but it was new to me. I had always thought it was just Joffrey being horrible that led him to behead Lord Stark, but during my first reread I noticed a few things. In A Clash of Kings, Varys makes several riddles about the true nature of power. These are more or less hints to Tyrion about the breadth of Petyr's power in the realm.

I think it is Petyr Baelish who organized Lord Eddard's death. It is said by Tyrion and Varys that the speed at which Janos Slynt and Ilyn Payne complied was almost rehearsed, and that Janos was Baelish's man through and through.

I have one bit of speculation to add as well, people have put forward Theon as a possible returning POV. What if it is someone else in rather the same situation. Say, Jeyne Poole, a.k.a. Arya Bolton? I don't know if I could handle another adolescent girl POV, but wouldn't it be just like GRRM to throw such a twist?
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Old 22nd July 2008, 05:55 PM   #190 (permalink)
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Stop the presses! (well not really)

One of the Borgias (c. 1500, Italy) was Jofre who married Sancia.

Their brother Caesare, was "The Prince" praised by Machiavelli, and one event described in that book is a reconciliation where warriors conspiring against Caesare were invited to a meeting for a discussion and then were bound and strangled. Not quite the Red Wedding but...

Lucrezia was reputed to be a poisoner, but probably wasn't. And there were rumours of incest.

The Borgia kids were all bastards, and it was common there to have a few spare kids with a mistress who could inherit if necessary. It was also common for Cardinals and even the Pope, in that case, to have a few.

Also, in another distant tangent...Vlad the Impaler invited Boyars to an Easter celebration and then slaughtered them.

Things that stir the pot!
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Old 22nd July 2008, 10:15 PM   #191 (permalink)
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For Rhaegar+Lyanna = Jon thinkers.

You could make an argument about GRRM often using the word king whilst in Jon's vicinity, perhaps referring to Jon himself.
In aSoS (2) when the wildling attack from the South (the Thenns and Ygritte) Jon takes up position in the King's Tower. (Also you might interpret Jon's views of the tower as a reflection of perhaps Jon himself.)
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Old 24th July 2008, 03:17 AM   #192 (permalink)
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The blue rose growing on the wall is what did it for me! What else could that mean?
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Old 24th July 2008, 11:56 PM   #193 (permalink)
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i agree the blue rose in the wall, the "promise me ned", catilyns hate of jon, danys needs a dragon rider still .. also i think thatThe Red Woman will raise ygritte and use her agaisnt jon all the people who are brought back seem to be kissed by fire
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jorah needs a king to serve still i bet he will end up with jon and see targaryen in him, what about brans vision of flying ... maybe on dragons?
in ASOS stannis talks to davos about a hero returned from the sea ?? any ideas who it could be.. maybe theon? i might be completely crazy thinking this stuff
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Old 25th July 2008, 02:31 AM   #195 (permalink)
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Well, the Jorah and Jon connection is not far fetched. Jorah's only final safety may be taking the black. His father's dying wish was for Jorah to know he was forgiven. And then Jorah being forced to watch Jon wear and weild Longclaw could drive him into Janos' and Alliser's corner.

Welcome whiskey. Don't worry about spoilers. The thread title should be sufficient and you can always preface your remarks, though I don't think too many people reading here will be unprepared for story spoilers.
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