Not so important connections

[Young stormlord]

He wouldn't be dead if he wasn't standing on the prow of the ship, smiling on the rain . Plus, he was blind and his white eyes would certainly looked bright to Daenerys.

[Young stormlord]

This creeps me out every time I read it.
ACOK, Arya chapter.

She brought Lord Bolton a damp washcloth to wipe down his soft hairless body. “I will send a letter of my own,” he told the onetime maester.
“To the Lady Walda?”
“To Ser Helman Tallhart.”
A rider from Ser Helman had come two days past. Tallhart men had taken the castle of the Darrys, accepting the surrender of its Lannister garrison after a brief siege.
“Tell him to put the captives to the sword and the castle to the torch, by command of the king. Then he is to join forces with Robett Glover and strike east toward Duskendale. Those are rich lands, and hardly touched by the fighting. It is time they had a taste. Glover has lost a castle, and Tallhart a son. Let them take their vengeance on Duskendale.”
“I shall prepare the message for your seal, my lord.”

ASOS, before the red wedding.

Catelyn turned back to Roose Bolton. “Ser Wendel said something of Lannisters on the Trident?”
“He did, my lady. I blame myself. I delayed too long before leaving Harrenhal. Aenys Frey departed several days before me and crossed the Trident at the ruby ford, though not without difficulty. But by the time we came up the river was a torrent. I had no choice but to ferry my men across in small boats, of which we had too few. Two-thirds of my strength was on the north side when the Lannisters attacked those still waiting to cross. Norrey, Locke, and Burley men chiefly, with Ser Wylis Manderly and his White Harbor knights as rear guard. I was on the wrong side of the Trident, powerless to help them. Ser Wylis rallied our men as best he could, but Gregor Clegane attacked with heavy horse and drove them into the river. As many drowned as were cut down. More fled, and the rest were taken captive.”
Gregor Clegane was always ill news, Catelyn reflected. Would Robb need to march south again to deal with him? Or was the Mountain coming here? “is Clegane across the river, then?”
“No.” Bolton’s voice was soft, but certain. “I left six hundred men at the ford. Spearmen from the rills, the mountains, and the White Knife, a hundred Hornwood longbows, some freeriders and hedge knights, and a strong force of Stout and Cerwyn men to stiffen them. Ronnel Stout and Ser Kyle Condon have the command. Ser Kyle was the late Lord Cerwyn’s right hand, as I’m sure you know, my lady. Lions swim no better than wolves. So long as the river runs high, Ser Gregor will not cross.”
“The last thing we need is the Mountain at our backs when we start up the causeway,” said Robb. “You did well, my lord.”
“Your Grace is too kind. I suffered grievous losses on the Green Fork, and Glover and Tallhart worse at Duskendale.”
“Duskendale.” Robb made the word a curse. “Robett Glover will answer for that when I see him, I promise you.”

Have you noticed what Bolton just did? First, he sends Robett Glover and Robb's loyal man, into death then says that to Robb, to look like he had nothing to do with it. He also leaves some more of Robb's loyal man far from Twins, with very good excuse. Creepy ass*!%*

[YOSSARIAN]

Something I realized in my one millionth reread of AFFC: Cersei killed Melara Witherspoon (not completely sure of that last name). She was the girl who had her fortune told along with Cersei. Cersei's POV's mention some thoughts she had about Melara; she thinks of her as a schemer who had thoughts above her station and thinks to herself about the screaming Melara was doing in the well (which means Cersei was at the scene when she died.) Melara asked the maegi if she would marry Jaime, to which the maegi replied something like "Worms will have your maidenhood...your death is in the room tonight" At first I thought that meant she fell down the well that same night (dumb), but she didn't-she was pushed in the well by Cersei, her "death in the room." Sorry if I'm bringing this when everybody else already knew it. Probably not important but it does give us another glimpse of Cersei's sweet personality.

[Boaz]

Wait a second, YOSS. You're saying that Cersei commited murder at age... what, twelve?

I need to reread too.

[viZion]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Wait a second, YOSS. You're saying that Cersei commited murder at age... what, twelve?

I need to reread too.

I picked up on the same thing during my reread this past winter. Completely missed it the first time through. Then again, I didn't catch much of anything my first time through AFFC. It's really a book that can't be read years after you've finished ASOS. It's so much better reading it after having finished ASOS very recently. The slower pace and deeper machinations of the book are a welcome change from the breakneck speed and avalanche of events that occur in ASOS. I could see how people would be disappointed with it (like I was the first time through) if it's been four years since reading ASOS (like it was for me... I just didn't have time to reread the entire series when AFFC came out). Hm, this post turned into a book review.

[TK-421]

PAAHHHHH!!!

Arya's got her beat by 3 years!!!

[Boaz]

Arya's first was in self-defense... it got easier after that.

[Young stormlord]

The Hound also killed a man when he was twelve. Who wants to bet that it was the carpenter that made the wooden knight he stole from Gregor?

[Hilarious Joke]

Who is the heir of the Clegane property, if Gregor and Sandor are both dead? (even though neither probably is, they are both dead in a way, as Cleganes).

[pan naranus]

Depends on the monarch you ask.
Cersei will take their land in the name of the crown
The high sparrow will do it in the name of the church
stannis will burn their land, and then take it.
Dany will do the same, using dragons.

Good real-estate in the west, about the only part in the country that isn't covered by ashes and not soon to be covered by twenty meters of snow.
But there's a nagging thought... didn't Gregor had a daughter?

[the smiling weirwood]

I don't think any of them would really care. The Cleganes' most likely possess kind of shitty holdings being the minor lordlings they are. Despite this, I am sure they have some sort of relatives that would be eager to vouch for the estates.

Has anyone ever found out who exactly Jenny of Oldstones is? Or her Prince of Dragonflies? And why does that strange old hag on top of the hill refer to her as "my Jenny"? Is she her mother? Her sister?

Whoever or whatever she was, she liked her booze.

[Hilarious Joke]

I think she is her mother, and all I know is that Jenny was was in love with Prince Duncan the Small.

[the smiling weirwood]

Is that in one of the prequel novellas?

[Bazza]

Going through one of my rereads and one of Patchface's random meanderings in the first couple hundred ASOS pages struck me:

"Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chain's for the bridegroom, aye aye aye"

That's the Red Wedding. Clever fool!

[the smiling weirwood]

Oh my! Now I have a strong desire to dig up every one of Patchface's ramblings and have a good look. If only my copies weren't in storage several miles away...