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Old 5th June 2007, 05:01 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It's more implied than actually stated outright. But I think Thom will go to the land of foxes and save her, with music and his blades.

And yes, it the series did go on a bit too long, but I still like it and hope that Jordan will be able to finish it in the next year. He has been quite ill.

yeah i hope it finishes, its is a brilliant but flawed series, but at least he had the balls to go out and write something as long as he wanted to be, its a shame he is ill, sounds selfish saying I hope he finishes before he dies, what i really hope is that he gets better, I am not sure if thats possible
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Old 5th June 2007, 06:19 PM   #17 (permalink)
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He won't get better. At least not with current medical technology. It's possible that his condition could stabilise and he could get a heart transplant, but that's an outside chance.

However, his condition has been moderated somewhat and he's back at work on the final novel. Tor had listed A Memory of Light for early 2009, but apparently they're going to publish the prologue online before Christmas this year, which has risen some hopes that the book may make it out in mid-to-late 2008.
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Old 5th June 2007, 06:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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For further information, here is his blog at Dragonmount.
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Old 7th June 2007, 01:32 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The fact that they were published?

But no its the fact that he got to the third book and saw how much he was making so he padded it out to get more money.


Publisher. "How's the final book coming along in this trilogy?"
Jordan. "I'm almost finished."
Publisher. " Here is the check from your book sales."
Jordan. " Wow thats alot of money....screw the plot im writing twelve."
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Re: What was most saddest thing in the books of R.Jordan ?

When Thom Merrilin's girlfriend (or apprentice), Dena was killed by thugs in The Great Hunt, ch 34.

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Old 26th June 2007, 09:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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When Thom Merrilin's girlfriend (or apprentice), Dena was killed by thugs in The Great Hunt, ch 34.

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However, he will be consoled when he's matched up with Moiraine.
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Old 27th June 2007, 12:07 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Yes. I hope that one and many others are wrapped up in MoL. There are lots of loose ends like that.

Speaking of that, it's kind of surprising to me that there are so many people discussing these things that may or may not be resolved for over a year. Just seems ironic. Otoh, there are many other unfinished series, many of which have their own following and discussion. Interesting genre.

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Old 27th June 2007, 01:15 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: What was most saddest thing in the books of R.Jordan ?

The saddest thing happened early in The Eye of the World: When that trolloc in the al'Thor home tricked Rand into nearly being killed by feigning ambiguity.

From there on, I knew this series was going to be unsophisticated, standard-fare Good vs. Evil.
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The fact that it continued beyond 4 volumes.
lol very true

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Old 1st July 2007, 02:52 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The saddest thing for me has been finnishing the latest volume (insert any volume past 4), then realizing that I may be waiting up to 3 years to read the next installment.
Very sad that!
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Old 5th July 2007, 02:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Losing Moiraine and Lanfear was terrible, Lanfear had been my favourite character since almost the beginning, and Jordan 'killing' off both just like that was terrible.

But yeah, now that a few years have passed since first reading Wheel of Time, I can see that probably the saddest part is the horrid black and white portrayal of Jordan's world. All through books three and four I was holding out for Lanfear to crack and try and join the 'light' side. But nothing ever seems to change, and the Chosen who does join Rand's side for a time dies pretty soon after. Which was horrible for me because I thought he was one of the series' most redeeming traits.
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I know it's going to sound a little weak, but I thought the saddest thing in the books of Robert Jordan was when Fedwyn lost his mind and reverted to childhood. Reading that Rand was forced to give Fedwyn a cup with something like poison in it, and holding him until he died, really made me sad.

But then I get sentimental about things like that.
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The saddest moment for me was when I read that Robert Jordan was ill with some incureable disease. I am also one of those that thought the story should have ended in, at the most 5 novels, but at the same time you have to give Jordan credit for his work, as it stands it is probably one of the longest stories ever and that has to count for something.
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The fact that they were published?

But no its the fact that he got to the third book and saw how much he was making so he padded it out to get more money.


Publisher. "How's the final book coming along in this trilogy?"
Jordan. "I'm almost finished."
Publisher. " Here is the check from your book sales."
Jordan. " Wow thats alot of money....screw the plot im writing twelve."
Yup. That's how I see it. He can write too, that's the shame of it. He started a plot-driven epic story but then ended up having to stretch that plot out after the 2nd book, went too far - to quote a wise hobbit - "like butter spread over too much bread."
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The saddest moment for me was when I read that Robert Jordan was ill with some incureable disease. I am also one of those that thought the story should have ended in, at the most 5 novels, but at the same time you have to give Jordan credit for his work, as it stands it is probably one of the longest stories ever and that has to count for something.

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Is it just me or does it seem like the last couple novels, especially knife of dreams where only about the events of a few days? There is this huge book but it doesn't go very far towards resolution. I think Jordan is a master of leaving something for the next book and not jumping the shark. But one more book? It bums me out. It kills me because there are so many feasable offshoots of the series that could be written. His use of legends really gets to me. Building anticipation through hints that are dropped sparingly in thousands of pages that may or may not be part of the story a decade from when it was written? I can't find other books with the same detail or even close. There is some fluff, obviously but some things he has done are pretty awesome in scope.
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