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Rane Longfox · 14th October 2004, 01:48 PM

OK, maybe someone can help me out here. Who is Traveller? A lot of people think its Dassem Ultor, quoting mainly from the scene where it desribes him as a Dal Honese. this seems rather stupid to me, because there are a hell of a lot of Dal Honese around

And besides, we know Traveller was one of the first three members of the Malazan Empire, and in HoC, Admiral Nok recites the order in which the old guard were recruited, and Ultor is alfter several people.
Personally, I used to think it was Ameron, but he's Napan, so unless he's damn good at illusions (Tayschrenn-esque), it can't be him.

My personal theory now is that Traveller is a completely new character we haven't even heard of in any other context, but i'm sure that has lots of holes too

Please someone help, its the only thing in the malazan books so far that I can't decide on what I believe... except that its not Ultor

knivesout · 18th October 2004, 02:19 PM

Hmm..you've got me there. My best guess was Dassem Ultor, as I seem to remember a scene involving Traveller showing great prowess at swordsmanship. There were 9 in the beginning right, the core team that included Kellanved, Dancer and Surly? What we need to do is figure out the other 6...

Rane Longfox · 21st October 2004, 03:43 PM

p209 TPB HoC:

"'Who were the first hirelings Admiral?'
'Myself [Nok], Ameron, Dujek, a woman named Hawl - my wife... a lad named Dujek discovered where we were holed up and delivered us to his new employers. Kellanved and Dancer.'
...
'Dancer later bolstered our numbers by recruiting... Carhteron Crust and his brother, Urko. And Surly - Laseen. Toc Elder, Dassem Ultor - who was like Kellanved, of Dal Honese blood - and a renegade High Septarch of the D'rek cult, Tayscrenn. And finally, Duiker. The family, with Kellanved conquered Malaz Island.'"

p489:
"'I know him [Traveller]... Not my memories, Dancer's. Dancer knew him. Knew him well. They were... three. It was never just two of them - did you know that? Never just Dancer and Kellanved. No, he was there. Almost from the very beginning. Before Tayscrenn, before Dujek, before even Surly.'"

Suggests to me another, unknown person...

GOLLUM · 22nd April 2005, 12:42 PM

HMM.. I thought it was Dassem too but then that's too obvious. The one thing I've noticed and really like about Erikson is that he doesn't tend to telegraph his major "revelations" or plot twists before delivering them. I think with Steven it's never what you think, that would be too easy!!

I'll have to put my thinking cap on now.

Rane Longfox · 28th April 2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GOLLUM

I'll have to put my thinking cap on now.

Good!

GOLLUM · 29th April 2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum

I'll have to put my thinking cap on now.

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Originally Posted by Gollum

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Originally Posted by caladanbrood

Good!

UM.. not so good, my brain's starting to go into meltdown....

Rane Longfox · 4th May 2005, 01:32 PM

So, have you thought about it yet?

GOLLUM · 6th May 2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by caladanbrood

So, have you thought about it yet?

A thousand apologies sir!!

I've thought about it but I just can't seem to see my way clear of things.. DARN it all!

Sorry mate, time for me to get a replacement brain methinks....

HMM.. time for a reread times 10.....

Jonzey · 24th September 2005, 06:20 AM

Heh, yeah I'm fairly certain Traveller is Dassem.

Rane Longfox · 25th September 2005, 02:14 AM

Browsing malazan just now though, I did see a quite intelligent theory that Traveller was Whiskeyjack... but I can't find it again now

Azzriel · 7th October 2005, 08:56 PM

I can't believe you're still doing this... and over here as well Brewdy

Now give it up... resistance is futile...
and besides I asked Erikson at FantasyCon.... but I'm not gonna tell ya

Rane Longfox · 8th October 2005, 12:35 AM

You didn't?

I'll get you

HieroGlyph · 4th December 2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rane Longfox

.... I did see a quite intelligent theory that Traveller was Whiskeyjack...

I'm reading "House of Chains" atm, and it was also my suspicion that 'Traveler' was/is Whiskeyjack, in agreement with Rane Longfox. Who better to wield the sword VENGENCE, with that mans skill and the betrayal he suffered (along with a few of us readers, too, no doubt!)? Aye, a thought, but I must await and await for the story to unfold...

HG

nixie · 4th December 2005, 09:40 PM

I don't think Traveller's Whiskeyjack...I think more likely to be a previously unknown player ....with Erikson the possiblities are endless

HieroGlyph · 5th December 2005, 08:27 PM

Care to elaborate some on your reasoning, Nixie? Or any further theories, anyone, without going too far beyond the fourth book?

14th October 2004, 01:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rane Longfox Mmmmm, vischysoise Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,284	Biggest Mystery? OK, maybe someone can help me out here. Who is Traveller? A lot of people think its Dassem Ultor, quoting mainly from the scene where it desribes him as a Dal Honese. this seems rather stupid to me, because there are a hell of a lot of Dal Honese around And besides, we know Traveller was one of the first three members of the Malazan Empire, and in HoC, Admiral Nok recites the order in which the old guard were recruited, and Ultor is alfter several people. Personally, I used to think it was Ameron, but he's Napan, so unless he's damn good at illusions (Tayschrenn-esque), it can't be him. My personal theory now is that Traveller is a completely new character we haven't even heard of in any other context, but i'm sure that has lots of holes too Please someone help, its the only thing in the malazan books so far that I can't decide on what I believe... except that its not Ultor

18th October 2004, 02:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
knivesout cheap,flashy little crook Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,999	Re: Biggest Mystery? Hmm..you've got me there. My best guess was Dassem Ultor, as I seem to remember a scene involving Traveller showing great prowess at swordsmanship. There were 9 in the beginning right, the core team that included Kellanved, Dancer and Surly? What we need to do is figure out the other 6...

21st October 2004, 03:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rane Longfox Mmmmm, vischysoise Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,284	Re: Biggest Mystery? p209 TPB HoC: "'Who were the first hirelings Admiral?' 'Myself [Nok], Ameron, Dujek, a woman named Hawl - my wife... a lad named Dujek discovered where we were holed up and delivered us to his new employers. Kellanved and Dancer.' ... 'Dancer later bolstered our numbers by recruiting... Carhteron Crust and his brother, Urko. And Surly - Laseen. Toc Elder, Dassem Ultor - who was like Kellanved, of Dal Honese blood - and a renegade High Septarch of the D'rek cult, Tayscrenn. And finally, Duiker. The family, with Kellanved conquered Malaz Island.'" p489: "'I know him [Traveller]... Not my memories, Dancer's. Dancer knew him. Knew him well. They were... three. It was never just two of them - did you know that? Never just Dancer and Kellanved. No, he was there. Almost from the very beginning. Before Tayscrenn, before Dujek, before even Surly.'" Suggests to me another, unknown person...

22nd April 2005, 12:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
GOLLUM Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,134	Re: Biggest Mystery? HMM.. I thought it was Dassem too but then that's too obvious. The one thing I've noticed and really like about Erikson is that he doesn't tend to telegraph his major "revelations" or plot twists before delivering them. I think with Steven it's never what you think, that would be too easy!! I'll have to put my thinking cap on now.

4th May 2005, 01:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rane Longfox Mmmmm, vischysoise Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,284	Re: Biggest Mystery? So, have you thought about it yet?

24th September 2005, 06:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jonzey bridgeburner Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 21	Re: Biggest Mystery? Heh, yeah I'm fairly certain Traveller is Dassem.

25th September 2005, 02:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Rane Longfox Mmmmm, vischysoise Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,284	Re: Biggest Mystery? Browsing malazan just now though, I did see a quite intelligent theory that Traveller was Whiskeyjack... but I can't find it again now

7th October 2005, 08:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Azzriel Deviant Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23	Re: Biggest Mystery? I can't believe you're still doing this... and over here as well Brewdy Now give it up... resistance is futile... and besides I asked Erikson at FantasyCon.... but I'm not gonna tell ya

8th October 2005, 12:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
Rane Longfox Mmmmm, vischysoise Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,284	Re: Biggest Mystery? You didn't? I'll get you

4th December 2005, 09:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
nixie pixie druid Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,752 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Biggest Mystery? I don't think Traveller's Whiskeyjack...I think more likely to be a previously unknown player ....with Erikson the possiblities are endless

5th December 2005, 08:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
HieroGlyph 70% water... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 376	Re: Biggest Mystery? Care to elaborate some on your reasoning, Nixie? Or any further theories, anyone, without going too far beyond the fourth book?

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