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Boaz · 27th September 2006, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by the smiling weirwood

Okay Boaz, loving a woman is not breaking vows. He didn't marry her of father children. So, no vows broken there. He did defect, even if falsely and on orders, but I know you like to get ticky.

lol... nice to have a laugh before bed.

I understand the words of the Oath say not to take a wife or beget children, but engaging in sexual intercourse is like playing Russian Roulette. The oath does not specify celibacy, but I think celibacy is it's intent.

Jon did not consider Ygritte his wife, but according to Wildling customs she considered herself practically a spearwife.

the smiling weirwood · 28th September 2006, 04:45 AM

No, avoidance of emotional bonds is it's intent. Sex does not necessarily mean emotional attachment that might lead to mixed loyalties. He did develope said bonds but we're talking about the vows. And a spearwife is married to her spear, not a wife with a spear.

Boaz · 2nd October 2006, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by the smiling weirwood

And a spearwife is married to her spear, not a wife with a spear.

Really? I should read more and post less.

Boaz · 21st December 2006, 03:17 AM

I was reading the Eddard chapter today when he wakes up with a broken leg and I was struck by the number seven.

Eddard dreams of taking six men with him to the Tower of Joy to rescue Lyanna. The seven of them face off with three of the Kingsguard. While I was reading, thoughts of foreshadowing, the Faith, and the three heads of the Dragon popped into my head.

The Faith has a god with seven personages. In Ned's dream he lists his companions. Martyn Cassel, Jory's father; Theo Wull, described as faithful; Ethan Glover, he used to be Brandon Stark's squire; Mark Ryswell, "soft of speech and gentle of heart"; Howland Reed, the Crannogman; and Lord Dustin. It occured to me that these might represent the the faces of the God of the Faith as he turned his face against House Targaryen. Martyn = the Father; Faithful Theo = the Smith; Young Ethan = the Maiden; Gentle Mark = the Mother; Howland = the Stranger; Lord Dustin = the Warrior... leaving Ned as the old man dreaming of long lost days to be the Crone.

Arrayed against the Seven were three of the Kingsguard. Ser Oswell Whent, the Black Bat; Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull; Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Danaerys' dragons are colored black, white and green. Whent and Hightower exemplify black and white nicely, but the colors of House Dayne seem to be purple and silver. Stretching this, I'd have to say that Arthur's nickname and his sword are harbingers of light... light brings about life and growth... green is the color for life and growth.

Is this a foreshadowing of the divine war between the Seven, the Old Gods, the Drowned God, Rh'llor, and the Other? Have the Seven forsaken House Targaryen? If only two of the Seven survived this battle, does this mean anything to the end of the ASOIAF story?

Or does this mean that the Seven have claimed Lyanna's child to be their champion? What if the hand of the Seven reached out and used Ned Stark from the far north to hide their champion? Was it to bring him to the Wall to fight the Other?

When Jon fled the Wall to join Robb, he was brought back by seven of his brothers. Is this foreshadowing of the Seven's hand upon Jon?

I know these are not well thought out... I'm just posing questions.

One last idea... could Dany's bloodriders (Aggo, Rakharo, and Jhogo, iirc) be the dragon's riders?

stonStark · 21st December 2006, 02:03 PM

I am surprised, no I need word that means more then surprised.....
I never saw that… it …it could be….
I am still horrified whit the though of all that….
What it means bugs me?? 7 will destroy 3??

p.s. Boaz for our leader!!!

Boaz · 21st December 2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stonStark

Boaz for our leader!!!

NO! NO! NO! I refuse to accept any resposibility! The wonderful thing about tiggers... is that they can change direction and change their minds without repurcussions.

TK-421 · 21st December 2006, 05:41 PM

They're also extremely irritating when bouncing all over the place.

Boaz, you may have something here but I have said earlier that I don't think it coming down to a holly war is the ending I envisiaged for the series and not the one I would favour either.

The Throne is destined for a bastard.

Aegon the Unworthy · 21st December 2006, 06:19 PM

Of course its not coming down to a Holly War.....what did holly ever do to anyone except deck the halls, and be a part of a jolly christmas? Dont post such silliness.

Boaz · 21st December 2006, 06:37 PM

Neil Diamond has a song called "Holly Holy."

Aegon the Unworthy · 21st December 2006, 06:42 PM

Well there ya go.....Neil Diamond is the "Other".....solved that riddle. Hold yer applause, just send money.

TK-421 · 21st December 2006, 06:47 PM

Oh man....totally decimated over one extra "L". Of course, if this Holly is more of the Dany, Cersei or Melissandre types, that could lead to war.

Faceless Woman · 21st December 2006, 07:08 PM

Ok...

Boaz, as you say Arthur - green is stretching it a bit, but the recurance of seven and three is interesting.

So is this holly war. How does that work, exactly? Is it like a nuclear war, except instead of using nuclear missiles, they attack each other with pointy leaves?

Boaz · 21st December 2006, 08:21 PM

FW, thanks for staying with earlier post. I'd like to discuss serious crackpot theories and not get lost in ridiculous and obvious trolling by Aegon!

Aegon, how dare you call Neil Diamond the Other?!?! He's the greatest musical talent... ever! You are unworthy to even utter his name. Yeah, that's right... you all shall not even dare to speak his name. He will be the nameless one. With the overproduced, overpackaged, and undersubstantive junk on the radio in the last twenty years, the Nameless One has been driven from the warm, fuzzy and happy lands. He has been relegated to the frozen wastelands of the forgotten. Kids today don't know who he is... they think he's some evil myth. But the Nameless Frozen One will return to destroy the walls of prepackaged, synthetic junk... yes, he will. So in conclusion (let me just review my post)... oh no! I don't believe it... Neil Diamond is the Other!

TK-421 · 21st December 2006, 08:46 PM

"...girl, you'll be a woman soon..."

Boaz · 21st December 2006, 10:22 PM

I'm neither a girl nor a woman. I'll be what I am... Solitary Man.

By the way Neil was seven when he wrote his first song. He has had seven number one hits in the US. He's been in seven movies. He is the eldest of seven children. In 1977, he was named recording artist of the year. He did seven TV specials in the late 70's and early 80's. He is backed up on tour by seven musicians. He has seven toes on his left foot. He is currently seventy-seven years old. He has seven tatoos... all on his posterior. He's had seven dogs... they are all now stuffed in his living room.

28th September 2006, 04:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
the smiling weirwood the godswood is me Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,180	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven No, avoidance of emotional bonds is it's intent. Sex does not necessarily mean emotional attachment that might lead to mixed loyalties. He did develope said bonds but we're talking about the vows. And a spearwife is married to her spear, not a wife with a spear.

21st December 2006, 03:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,746	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven I was reading the Eddard chapter today when he wakes up with a broken leg and I was struck by the number seven. Eddard dreams of taking six men with him to the Tower of Joy to rescue Lyanna. The seven of them face off with three of the Kingsguard. While I was reading, thoughts of foreshadowing, the Faith, and the three heads of the Dragon popped into my head. The Faith has a god with seven personages. In Ned's dream he lists his companions. Martyn Cassel, Jory's father; Theo Wull, described as faithful; Ethan Glover, he used to be Brandon Stark's squire; Mark Ryswell, "soft of speech and gentle of heart"; Howland Reed, the Crannogman; and Lord Dustin. It occured to me that these might represent the the faces of the God of the Faith as he turned his face against House Targaryen. Martyn = the Father; Faithful Theo = the Smith; Young Ethan = the Maiden; Gentle Mark = the Mother; Howland = the Stranger; Lord Dustin = the Warrior... leaving Ned as the old man dreaming of long lost days to be the Crone. Arrayed against the Seven were three of the Kingsguard. Ser Oswell Whent, the Black Bat; Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull; Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Danaerys' dragons are colored black, white and green. Whent and Hightower exemplify black and white nicely, but the colors of House Dayne seem to be purple and silver. Stretching this, I'd have to say that Arthur's nickname and his sword are harbingers of light... light brings about life and growth... green is the color for life and growth. Is this a foreshadowing of the divine war between the Seven, the Old Gods, the Drowned God, Rh'llor, and the Other? Have the Seven forsaken House Targaryen? If only two of the Seven survived this battle, does this mean anything to the end of the ASOIAF story? Or does this mean that the Seven have claimed Lyanna's child to be their champion? What if the hand of the Seven reached out and used Ned Stark from the far north to hide their champion? Was it to bring him to the Wall to fight the Other? When Jon fled the Wall to join Robb, he was brought back by seven of his brothers. Is this foreshadowing of the Seven's hand upon Jon? I know these are not well thought out... I'm just posing questions. One last idea... could Dany's bloodriders (Aggo, Rakharo, and Jhogo, iirc) be the dragon's riders?

21st December 2006, 02:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
stonStark Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 77	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven I am surprised, no I need word that means more then surprised..... I never saw that… it …it could be…. I am still horrified whit the though of all that…. What it means bugs me?? 7 will destroy 3?? p.s. Boaz for our leader!!!

21st December 2006, 05:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,785	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven They're also extremely irritating when bouncing all over the place. Boaz, you may have something here but I have said earlier that I don't think it coming down to a holly war is the ending I envisiaged for the series and not the one I would favour either. The Throne is destined for a bastard.

21st December 2006, 06:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Aegon the Unworthy Opinionated Procastinator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 711	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven Of course its not coming down to a Holly War.....what did holly ever do to anyone except deck the halls, and be a part of a jolly christmas? Dont post such silliness.

21st December 2006, 06:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,746	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven Neil Diamond has a song called "Holly Holy."

21st December 2006, 06:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
Aegon the Unworthy Opinionated Procastinator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 711	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven Well there ya go.....Neil Diamond is the "Other".....solved that riddle. Hold yer applause, just send money.

21st December 2006, 06:47 PM	#26 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,785	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven Oh man....totally decimated over one extra "L". Of course, if this Holly is more of the Dany, Cersei or Melissandre types, that could lead to war.

21st December 2006, 07:08 PM	#27 (permalink)
Faceless Woman Pet Nymeria. Now die. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 398	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven Ok... Boaz, as you say Arthur - green is stretching it a bit, but the recurance of seven and three is interesting. So is this holly war. How does that work, exactly? Is it like a nuclear war, except instead of using nuclear missiles, they attack each other with pointy leaves?

21st December 2006, 08:21 PM	#28 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,746	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven FW, thanks for staying with earlier post. I'd like to discuss serious crackpot theories and not get lost in ridiculous and obvious trolling by Aegon! Aegon, how dare you call Neil Diamond the Other?!?! He's the greatest musical talent... ever! You are unworthy to even utter his name. Yeah, that's right... you all shall not even dare to speak his name. He will be the nameless one. With the overproduced, overpackaged, and undersubstantive junk on the radio in the last twenty years, the Nameless One has been driven from the warm, fuzzy and happy lands. He has been relegated to the frozen wastelands of the forgotten. Kids today don't know who he is... they think he's some evil myth. But the Nameless Frozen One will return to destroy the walls of prepackaged, synthetic junk... yes, he will. So in conclusion (let me just review my post)... oh no! I don't believe it... Neil Diamond is the Other!

21st December 2006, 08:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,785	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven "...girl, you'll be a woman soon..."

21st December 2006, 10:22 PM	#30 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,746	Re: The Seven, the Seven and the Seven I'm neither a girl nor a woman. I'll be what I am... Solitary Man. By the way Neil was seven when he wrote his first song. He has had seven number one hits in the US. He's been in seven movies. He is the eldest of seven children. In 1977, he was named recording artist of the year. He did seven TV specials in the late 70's and early 80's. He is backed up on tour by seven musicians. He has seven toes on his left foot. He is currently seventy-seven years old. He has seven tatoos... all on his posterior. He's had seven dogs... they are all now stuffed in his living room.

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