The Red Lady Conspiracy Theory

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Originally Posted by Dolorous Edd

Basically, either because of the birth of the dragons, or because he now trully believes, he really can make the sword burn, and resurect the dead.

This is the part that really really really really...wait for it....really seems odd. Mel is deeper into the mysteries of R'hllor by all accounts yet Lightbringer doesnt burn? And some sword Thoros picked up from the corpse of Lannister yokel yesterday flames to life(authors discretion). There has to be a reason for the discrepancy, if it was just a coinicidence Martin wouldnt have made an issue right? But he goes out of his way....dammit Im right back to M is an agent of evil. You people need to make up my mind for me.

[Trey Greyjoy]

You people need to make up my mind for me.

LOL,

I think the contrast between Thoros and Mel is deliberate and striking. Mel's intentions are clearly suspect when contemplating the comparison.

It is possible that she is just wildy misguided with reasonable intentions, but her actions seem too deliberate and calculated, not reckless and fervered as you would expect a fanatical zealot to be.

[Mort]

Bha, well, after a lot of thinking, I think Mel's just trying to make Azor Ahi go to the Other's side. Perhaps she thinks if Azor Ahi will be on the Other's side, Rho'll will lose. But, if Dany is Azor Ahi, Mel got screwed.

By the way, the prophet Cersie went to used blood, didn't she? I still think Mel is some kind of a Magi. Maybe she use blood for her prophecies. Do we have a proof she actully see her things in flames? Except one time Stannis said he saw things, but I think he was so weak back then, Mel could show him anything in fire..

Now, Jon is supposed to have royal blood, because the Starks have blood of the King in the North. And Mel will burn him, and then we'll discover his actully a Targ, and he'll become a dragon, and burn Mel.
Quite amusing, I must say

[MIDNIGHT]

Mel has been bothering me for quite some time now. I'm on my millionth reread of the series and was halfway through ACOK when in a Davos chapter I spotted this "Melisandre saw another day in her flames as well.a morrow where Renly rode out of the south in his green armor to smash my host beneath the walls of King's landing." Stannis was lead to believe that this was an alternate future that she saw in her flames but really it wasn't ,it was the truth (as someone pretended to be Renly in the battle ,and so they lost).Makes me wonder just how much does she know , and just how is she using this info to manipulate Stannis into doing her wishes. Just a thought.

[the smiling weirwood]

She does refer to Rh'llor as the God of Fire and Shadow once, I believe, so perhaps she and Thoros simply worship different aspects of the same god.

[TK-421]

Gods with different aspects...Why can't they be simple like us mortals.

I don't check to boards for 2 days and this whole discussion about my favourite vixen takes place.

Good theory Aegon and glad you started the discussion. The only power she could be working is that theoretical power behind the Faceless Men or that secret society that is working to detabilize Westeros.

If Melissandre is actually wanting to bring forth the Others, she's a total fool (which I don't think she is). Now, unless she has a way for dealing with them, she's just asking for trouble. Now, I don't think she's a fool, she may be a little blinded by faith but very deliberate in what she does. Now that she has met Jon, I would say she is having doubts about Stannis.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Melissandre will kill Stannis.

[Dolorous Edd]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Good theory Aegon and glad you started the discussion. The only power she could be working is that theoretical power behind the Faceless Men or that secret society that is working to detabilize Westeros.

You don't think they're one and the same then m8?

[TK-421]

Yes, that's what I meant...they are the same.

[DeannaBelle]

I never thought about Melisandre not really being a priest of R'hollar. i just sort of assumed he was as bad of a god as she was a preistess. yet I was confused because Maester Aemon didn't share the same bad opinion of the religion, just Melisandre's interpretation of it.

I assumed Dany was What's-his-name reborn (the dude who stuck his sword through his wife's bare chest) as she smothered her love to use him again in fire-magic for the birth of her dragons. Different details, same magic.

[DeannaBelle]

[quote=Trey Greyjoy;714570]LOL,

I think the contrast between Thoros and Mel is deliberate and striking. Mel's intentions are clearly suspect when contemplating the comparison.

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Most striking to me is that Mel gives life to creepy murdering shadows and Thoros give life to his dead friends.

[devilsgrin]

and which of those two powers is the most heinous?
i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?
Death is just another step...
Melissandre's shadows were murdering yes, BUT they were pragmatic and expedient ways to further her goals with minimal damage.
How much damage have the BWB done to all and sundry?

[TK-421]

So "pragmatic and expedient" murder is better than vigilante murder. Interesting moral statement.

[Qhorin Halfhand]

Originally Posted by devilsgrin

i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?

I disagree with the suggestion that Catelyn's new visage as Lady Stoneheart has much to do with her resurrection (other than physically). The reason she would be bloodthirsty, murderous and so on would be because she's snapped from having all her children die, not to mention she was already wound pretty tight and often irrational when the series started.

[Tansy]

Originally Posted by Qhorin Halfhand

I disagree with the suggestion that Catelyn's new visage as Lady Stoneheart has much to do with her resurrection (other than physically). The reason she would be bloodthirsty, murderous and so on would be because she's snapped from having all her children die, not to mention she was already wound pretty tight and often irrational when the series started.

I think that when she died the kinder, rational part of her died and what was ressurected was the angry and bitter side of her seeking vengenace. That part of her that had freed Jaime on the off chance he would keep his promise and save her children was lost, had she not died when she met Brienne again she would have listened to her story, uncat just saw the sword and wanted vengenace.

Could it be because she had been dead awhile before being brought back and then it was a second hand breath of rh'llor. Not direct from Thoros the priest but from Beric who had carried Rh'llor's breath for a long time and been raised from the dead multiple times. (Mind you I think witnessing the Red Wedding would drive anyone mad and vengeful. Seeing your son with his wolf's head as his own would tip any mother over the edge, not to mention being killed yourself)

Didn't Beric claim that each time he came back he was less human? this Maybe when he passed on his breath to uncat he also passed on this aspect too. Maybe if Thoros had ressurected with her with"fresh" breath of Rh'llor she would be slightly different?

Just a thought..

[Tansy]

Originally Posted by devilsgrin

and which of those two powers is the most heinous?
i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?
Death is just another step...
Melissandre's shadows were murdering yes, BUT they were pragmatic and expedient ways to further her goals with minimal damage.
How much damage have the BWB done to all and sundry?

The shadows also took part of Stannis, Mel was scared that birthing another one would harm him too much. I think this is part of the change that has come over Stannis, the "Shadow-babies of Mel's were of his essence. Whenever she created one part of him was lost, maybe this explains how easily he fell under her thrall and converted to Rh'llor, as he was just going through the motions to start with in order to gian more support for his claim to the throne. Now, however, he seems a shadow of the man he was, only Davos seems to be able bring him back to himself in times of stress.

I wonder what part of him went into the shadow creature - his soul? Therefore making him more susceptible to using evil means to achieve his goals?