C-3PO

[Cayal]

Qui-Gon is also part of the force if you watch the Clone Wars.

[Culhwch]

We're all part of the Force!

Trying to reconcile events and statements in the two seperate trilogies is impossible. So many things don't mesh. Artoo's jets, for instance. What happened to those? He get a hardware downgrade somewhere along the line? Lucas just didn't care, I don't think.

[Cayal]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

We're all part of the Force!

Trying to reconcile events and statements in the two seperate trilogies is impossible. So many things don't mesh. Artoo's jets, for instance. What happened to those? He get a hardware downgrade somewhere along the line? Lucas just didn't care, I don't think.

Stuff like that can be excused to the point of it not being necessary in the originals.

However changes like that are going to be made, it was never going to be 100% continual.

[digs]

Originally Posted by Cayal

However changes like that are going to be made, it was never going to be 100% continual.

Did Lucas actually say that before making the prequel trilogy, or did he say it after? The fun of the prequels was meant to be in seeing the origins of all the characters and events in the original trilogy. What's the point if they're going to change things without regard to consequences?

[C Of K]

I don't know if George said that, but he did say something before the prequel trilogy. He said that when he made the originals, he wanted it to seem like a "used universe". Things were breaking down, and it definitely shows in the original trilogy. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the galaxy as a whole being unable to recover completely from the Clone Wars during an oppressive Imperial rule.

To my knowledge, George never actually said that Artoo's jets broke down, but that does fit in quite well with the way George wanted things to be. Artoo and 3PO were looking a little worse for wear in that trilogy. I don't defend George when I think he is wrong, but there is nothing wrong with Artoo not having jets in the original trilogy.

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by Cayal

Stuff like that can be excused to the point of it not being necessary in the originals.

Yeah, wouldn't have been useful in getting from the crashed X-Wing to dry land on Dagobah in Empire, or from the sail barge to the skiff in Jedi. No use for it at all.

Originally Posted by digs

What's the point if they're going to change things without regard to consequences?

Agreed.

Originally Posted by C Of K

To my knowledge, George never actually said that Artoo's jets broke down, but that does fit in quite well with the way George wanted things to be. Artoo and 3PO were looking a little worse for wear in that trilogy. I don't defend George when I think he is wrong, but there is nothing wrong with Artoo not having jets in the original trilogy.

But Artoo was entirely overhauled at the end of Star Wars. Surely they'd fix them at that point, even if they were broken up until then. Or are the Rebel techs just really half-assed at their job?

When it comes down to it, it's Lucas saying, 'This would look cool because I love special effects, let's do it and damn the consequences.'

[Dave]

We are getting a little of the subject of C3PO now but...

Originally Posted by C Of K

He said that when he made the originals, he wanted it to seem like a "used universe". Things were breaking down, and it definitely shows in the original trilogy.

What he meant was that things should just look 'normal'. Probably being older than many here, before 'Star Wars' anything in a science fiction film was always shiny and brand new. Spacecraft were always just launched and on their first voyage. In 'Star Wars' he wanted to show a society where the technology was not 'gee whiz'. So, Luke's speeder is a battered, old second-hand model. Since then, that has become more of the norm.

Originally Posted by Culhwch

But Artoo was entirely overhauled at the end of Star Wars. Surely they'd fix them at that point, even if they were broken up until then. Or are the Rebel techs just really half-assed at their job?

That is a very good point.

The other thing is was C3PO really made by Anakin from scrap parts? Because there are an awful lot of robots just like him. Was he working to a kit or plans? Or did some corporation decide he had done such a good job that they would franchise it? That part makes little sense either.

[C Of K]

I do agree that George put jets on Artoo because he thought it would be cool. It's not likely that he ever had the idea of Artoo flying around when he was first writing Star Wars.

But It's not far fetched for a machine that old to have hardware replaced with completely different purposed hardware.

The other thing is was C3PO really made by Anakin from scrap parts? Because there are an awful lot of robots just like him. Was he working to a kit or plans? Or did some corporation decide he had done such a good job that they would franchise it? That part makes little sense either.

He was probably working from some sort of design as there was a protocol droid on the Neimodian droid control ship in Episode 1, long before 3PO left Tattoine for Republic control space, or had any coverings

[THX-1138]

The only time at which Threepio and Artoo were as annoying as Jar Jar was in AOTC in the Droid factory. But I like the characters, it wouldn't be the same without them. Especially Artoo. I love that he's the only character who's perspective is complete, who knows the whole story of the Star Wars saga. In many cases he's proved critical, saving the heroes lives on many occasions. This was especially true in A New Hope, in that movie he was certainly far more than comic relief.

Threepio wasn't really built by Anakin, he was restored. Anakin found him in Watto's shop, nonfunctional and missing a lot of parts.

[Cayal]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

Yeah, wouldn't have been useful in getting from the crashed X-Wing to dry land on Dagobah in Empire, or from the sail barge to the skiff in Jedi. No use for it at all.

He found another way to get there so it is of no consequence. It's not as if he had an insurmountable gap he had to get across that required his rockets.

When it comes down to it, it's Lucas saying, 'This would look cool because I love special effects, let's do it and damn the consequences.'

There are no consequence because it doesn't create any holes in the story.

[paranoid marvin]

Originally Posted by Cayal

He found another way to get there so it is of no consequence. It's not as if he had an insurmountable gap he had to get across that required his rockets.



There are no consequence because it doesn't create any holes in the story.

Well , no holes that can't be CGI'd out in a later iteration anyway.

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by Cayal

He found another way to get there so it is of no consequence. It's not as if he had an insurmountable gap he had to get across that required his rockets.

Now you're just being willfully obtuse. I'll have to revise my opinion of Artoo's intelligence. He always gave the impression of possessing advanced AI, but if he choose to submerge himself (and his advanced mechanics and processing hardware) in water rather than simply jet across to land in safety, he must have been one dumbass droid...

[C Of K]

My brother recently ordered a 40 year old tube amplifier off of ebay. We assume it's had more than a few visits to different amp techs over the years. While it was being transported via the UPS, there was an accident. The amplifier was smashed. The tech fixed vital problems, but the frame still had a large crack in it, and the reverb didn't work so great.

There are three years between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back in which Artoo has been used and abused during the war. There is one year between The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of The Jedi. Artoo can't be expected to be in the same shape from one movie to the other, and the rebels can't be expected to give him a complete overhaul every time he is shot by s stormtrooper or a TIE fighter pilot.

Nor do I think George Lucas meant things to start off the same from the end of one movie to the beginning of the next. The Rebels ended ANH on Yavin IV, but they began TESB on Hoth.

[Huttman]

Artoo 'fell' off the X-wing unexpectedly when it was severely rocked or shifted. And how do we know he did not use his jets under water to move (Or do all R2 units come equipped with a propeller?) As for the sail barge, a similar occurrence could have been happening and 3PO was in his way. Artoo did not always use his jets in the prequels either. When Greivous' ship started to nose dive to Coruscant, Artoo went sliding down the bay and that was the perfect time to use them, methinks (out of fuel?). Oh, and as for Obi-Wan saying he doesn't ever remember owning a droid, well Jedi never have 'possessions', and he said it with the same pause inflection as when he answered Luke about his father. Obi-Wan remembered, he just was sticking to his 'version' of the truth. Or, there are so many astromech droids Obi-Wan dealt with over the years he couldn't be sure, either way it was not the time or place to reveal too much about his (and Luke's father's) past.