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Old 28th December 2004, 04:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Anne Rice is hit or miss, as are many authors we have seen reach great heights. I must agree that novels like Violin were actually painful to read. But I think her stinkers are the minority, and I believe she's brilliant as a writer, storyteller, character developer, and historical researcher. I thought that the Vampire Chronicles dropped off the interesting list for a while; the last good one being Tale of the Body Thief. But I really enjoyed the two most recent (and apparently last), Blackwood Farm and the sequel. I actually thought..........hey, she's back!
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Old 29th December 2004, 12:08 AM   #17 (permalink)
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my favorites are The Vampire Armand and Blood and Gold, simply because I like the character. but BF was pretty good. I was not a fan of Blood Canticle, Memnock, Violin, Merrick and Pandora
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Old 29th December 2004, 08:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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IMO, after Queen of the Damned, her vampire work became too redundant and I still don't understand why Lestat and Louis swapt their personnality between the 3rd and the 5th books. The only book more recent I liked was Pandora, because it was a real new take of the series. And the Mayfair series should have stopped, still IMO, after the second ones.
Frankly the works I've prefered in Anne Rice bibliography are Interview with the vampire (as a stand alone), Servant of the Bones and the Sleeping Beauty trilogy (can't remember the pseudonyme she used for it).

Plus my personal pet peeves (common with the Buffy serie) : Vampires shouldn't fall in love with their food. Do I fantasize about my sirloin steak or my lasagna ? No.

On her rant, I can understand she's upset but as others said it's too excessive to be sincere.
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Old 30th December 2004, 12:29 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Hehee, I don't have a problem with that, vamps falling in love with their food is the way that vampires are made. what vampire wants to go around giving immortality to their most hated enemy. And cheeseburgers can't talk back,or make love to you, That could be our excuse.

But I do agree with your opinion on Anne's comment.
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Old 30th December 2004, 12:57 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I think Anne Rice is brilliant, and as far as this response goes, I say about time. The trash talkers slam a book it took them a week to read as though it's a cheap half-effort rather than a year or more of dedicated slog. Barely ever a mention of 'credit where credit's due' from the slammers, even if the book wasn't up your street. Like it or not, SHE created the Chronicles and is free to do with them what she pleases.
I hated Lestat becoming a rock star, I couldn't stand Claudia dying, I despise Michael's life story about his near-death experience and psychic awakening. But so what? If I want Rice's stories, I read what she writes and appreciate it for what it is.

People throw criticism about too freely regarding celebrities, almost as though they resent their success... (But no, it couldn't be that, because we're far too pleasant a species...)

Why should authors be expected to listen to public misinterpretations of their work and not speak out?
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Old 30th December 2004, 01:27 AM   #21 (permalink)
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If it was a case of people accosting her with their unsolicited opinions, I would agree with you, Space Monkey. But nobody forces any of us to read reviews, good or bad.

And if people misinterpret a writer's work, isn't it possible for that writer to say, "No, that isn't what I meant at all. This is what I meant instead," without doing it quite so venomously, or showing such contempt for her readers?

She asks, who are you to criticize me? Well, in fact, most of them seem to be the same people who have been buying her books all along, the same people whose opinion was quite good enough for her when it was favorable to her.

And no doubt few of the people who review her books do know how much work goes into writing a novel. I'm not sure how that is relevant, however. It would be pretty boring reading reviews on Amazon if every one of them had to begin with some such disclaimer, "Of course Ms. Rice deserves all due credit for writing a book at all, when many of us here will never write a single one." Because can't we take that pretty much as given?
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Old 30th December 2004, 11:42 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And no doubt few of the people who review her books do know how much work goes into writing a novel. I'm not sure how that is relevant, however. It would be pretty boring reading reviews on Amazon if every one of them had to begin with some such disclaimer, "Of course Ms. Rice deserves all due credit for writing a book at all, when many of us here will never write a single one." Because can't we take that pretty much as given?
Precisely. How much effort somebody has taken to make something does not mean anything if the end product disappoints the people who are putting out their hard-eared money for it.
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Old 30th December 2004, 01:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Fair enough, I can't comment on the things to which she was reacting, because I haven't read them. But she said...
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In fact, the entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my goals.
By this I presume she wasn't irked by regular crit - just the nasty stuff like this:
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But your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies.
I don't believe you write to earn a living; even if you're Anne Rice and get lucky enough to do so. You write because you have to, its a genuine creative need.

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How much effort somebody has taken to make something does not mean anything if the end product disappoints the people who are putting out their hard-eared money for it.
1. Of course it does, these 2 things bear no relation. It still means everything to the creator - and most people were extremely happy with Blood Canticle. You can't please everyone.
2. If times are so hard that you can't take risks on something as tiny and inexpensive as a book, then you shouldn't be buying books. There are libraries for people who would rather try before they buy. Being a consumer doesn;t give anyone the right to be disrespectful.

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Who'd ever turn down an opportunity to do what they love for a living?

However, Amazon IS a public forum, so people can freely express their views. On the same hand, whatever people choose to say there can be contested by anyone, including the author. And by its very nature, it isn't a reputable source for criticism or one that I'd take seriously anyway.
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Old 30th December 2004, 01:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The controversy over Amazon reviews has been brewing for a while, and stretches beyond the whole Anne Rice thing. Many people are speaking out against the review option, because unfortunately, some people DO use it for slander. A friend of mine is a teacher, and put out a book recently, a very good book. Some kid who didn't like him from class put a very childish blurb up, calling him a moron, yet admitting he'd never read his book. Amazon supposedly screens the reviews before they put them up, but clearly they didn't screen this one----not because of the insult, that's opinion based---but because it wasn't based on the actual work he was posting a review for.

Personally, I'm not sure where I stand on this. What are the options? Having no reviews on Amazon just to avoid the ones that would use it for personal slander? I dunno.
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Old 30th December 2004, 04:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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D-uh why should an author be bothered by a few slanderous remarks made by random idiots? Her shrill blah only makes her sound like she was auditioning for an amateur production of Jeanne d'Arc.

Idiotic remarks reveal themselves. A dignified silence would have been the most effective retort.
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Old 30th December 2004, 04:55 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Well, just to be sure I knew what it was we were all talking about here, I went and read all of the negative Amazon reviews that were written before Ms. Rice's response, just to see what it was that they actually said that was so ugly and slanderous. (I also must admit that I was intrigued to find out what someone like Anne Rice would consider offensive, considering the subject matter of some of her books.)

Either Amazon has removed the worst of the reviews (which seems unlikely, if they allowed them in the first place, and when the controversy must certainly be fueling sales) or Ms. Rice is being incredibly thin-skinned. The most slanderous remarks that I could find were to the effect that the book read like a half-hearted attempt by an author who had lost interest in the characters and the subject matter, or that the story reflected a new conservativism on Rice's part.

Not pleasant for Anne Rice to read, clearly, but by no means the vicious attacks she seems to think they are.

Interestingly, every single one of those negative reviews was written by a disappointed FAN. Not by the people who never liked or understood her work in the first place, who have been denigrating her writing all along, while she soldiered on to achieve her dreams and goals, etc. etc. -- no, by some of the very same people who, collectively, have supported and aided those dreams and goals.

Just my opinion, but there is something particularly ugly in the sight of an author as successful as Anne Rice stomping all over her own longtime devoted readers just because they don't like the way she's been writing her books of late. It's arrogant and cruel.
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Either Amazon has removed the worst of the reviews (which seems unlikely, if they allowed them in the first place
I've only ever written one Amazon review, and that was pulled after about 1-2 weeks. I suspect they may not be particularly keen to leave up particularly negative reviews, which might damage the prospects of a sale.
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Old 9th January 2005, 05:39 AM   #28 (permalink)
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i have read a few books from Anne rice, i have to say... lovely! the whole vampires and draguca(sp?) and blood... yummy! lol, well, i have to say she is a great writer, who one with a great creative should read. Then again, those who look the hardcore blood action ^_^.
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Old 21st January 2005, 03:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I just wanted to add to this, having just finished Blood Canticle, the book in question.

I really don't understand what all the fuss was about - it was absolutely great, it reminded me of the old chronicles, and what's more, it was an exciting and conclusive sequel to Blackwood Farm. so how come the crit was about this and not Blackwood farm?
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Old 21st January 2005, 04:52 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I loved them too, and I agree, they did remind me of the old chronicles. I'm wondering however, I have a theory. Maybe some of the readers had never read the Witching Hour series---and since in these 2 books, Blackwood FArm and Blood Canticle, she combined those 2 worlds---the vampires and the Mayfair witches---they felt a little lost. I already knew all the characters, so I can't really objectively judge if it would have been disorienting to one who had not read the Witching Hour series.
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