8.18: Citizen Joe - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Dave · 18th October 2004, 10:35 PM

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kylestargater · 2nd January 2005, 07:57 PM

wahey!!!! guest starring Dan Castallanetta from the simpsons as Joe a barber who somehow knows all about SG-1 and their missions.

RangerOne SG13 SOR · 18th January 2005, 10:12 PM

Dont get excited.

A boring series of flashbacks of old episodes wrapped around the life of a Barber whos mind has been linked by an ancient device stone thingy to Jacks.

What a waste of an episode and what a waste of a guest appearance.

Shades of "Point of no return - Season 4"

Is Stargate really THAT tired?

Dissapointed yet again...

Ranger

Dave · 19th January 2005, 02:17 AM

Jack: "Just a moment, I'm not a bad ping pong player!"

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Originally posted by RangerOne SG13 SOR
A boring series of flashbacks of old episodes wrapped around the life of a Barber whos mind has been linked by an ancient device stone thingy to Jacks.

That was my first thoughts - what a **** idea for a cheap clip show, but it did get better...

I loved the way they worked in 'Wormhole Extreme' as a show with bad ratings that got cancelled after one episode.

But would all the evidence Joe Spencer had accumulated be dismissed so easily if he had taken it to a newspaper rather than his wife?

In the final 20 minutes there were some genuinely funny moments, but I have to agree that I'd much rather they got back to some solid storytelling again with the actors not having the week off work.

BTW Has anyone ever tried Jack's Beer Omelette?

Brit Chick · 19th January 2005, 08:27 AM

Ok we all know they like to do a clip/bottle show at least once a season - and I quite like em as they remind me of the good stuff thats gone before. I really enjoyed Disclosure a couple of years ago and I thought this one was pretty good too

I liked the way it worked on through the last 7 years and Joe and his son seeing Wormhole Extreme was funny - "they stole my idea" !!!

Loved the little nods to the Simpsons as well - Jack and Joe discussing the whole "Burns as a Goauld" thing.

Plus Jack very quietly sitting there saying he was sure he'd mentioned he been getting flashes of the life of a Barber - and that he found it relaxing.

imported_space monkey · 19th January 2005, 11:34 AM

I may be wrong but that last 'flashback' of Daniel and Jack looking at the stone, that was new right? Daniel's hair was never that bad, greasy and curtains! and Jack is far too grey. Just wondering...

Way too many flashbacks, hardly anything new from SG1, but it was ok I suppose, not my fave ep at all.

Dave · 19th January 2005, 01:16 PM

I remember that part about having to catalogue all the stuff, so it must have only been the close up shot of 'grey' Jack holding the stone that was newly inserted there.

Maria8475 · 19th January 2005, 02:31 PM

yeah as far as clip shows go, it wasn't bad.

I loved Joe's reaction over Daniel 'dying' and coming back and his comment on Jonas. So true to life

But if Joe was getting the stuff from Jack's reports - they must have been very vividly and accurately written.

And what about him meeting 'ascended' Daniel - i thought he didn't tell anyone about that until months later - so would he put it in a report?

I didn't like the part of Jack just living with having flashes of Joe's life and not mentioning it - with all the weird stuff that happens to them, surely he would have recognised that as slightly out of the ordinary.

At the end, Jack goes to meet his wife. What would he say? That all his stories have been true, isn't that a security risk? Surely the best thing would have been to take the stone from Joe and tell him to move on with his life?

Steffi · 20th January 2005, 03:10 PM

Sigh....

Money saving ep again.

This one it seems was just a foil for RDA to work with Homer from the Simpsons.

Yes it was good to have a look at the flashbacks and if you were a new Stargate fan it was perfect......BUT!!

I want some good storylines and I want Jack to behave like a good General should. I want to be on the edge of my seat again.

Is it too much to ask??

This has to be the worse series so far, my head is in my hands.

Krystal · 19th February 2005, 08:24 PM

Well, for a flashback episode it was kind of original, I'm not really pro flashbacks episodes because they tend to bore me. But I have to admit that this idea for a flashback was original and different. It was interesting seeing all that happen to Joe because of his visions.

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Originally posted by Maria8475

I loved Joe's reaction over Daniel 'dying' and coming back and his comment on Jonas. So true to life

I have to agree, I really enjoy that part.

Krystal

McHorde-Trooper · 8th March 2005, 02:04 AM

This will go down in history as the worst Stargate SG-1 episode ever.

Intro a Mary Sue character like character and make a flashback episode.

The only thing I find morbidly interesting . . what episodes where the writers admitting were "missteps"?

John Thiel · 4th May 2007, 03:02 PM

No action on this thread for two years, I see. Well, I've just recently seen "Citizen Joe" and it was particularly interesting to me because this writer who scoped the Gate's history so well lived in Indiana, which is where I live. According to the various space series shows, Janeway lived in Bloomington, Indiana, which is not far from here, and the Quantum Leaper came from Northern Indiana. So I'm wondering why the writers (if they were someone other than Joe; his titles have the same name as the episodes) thought Indiana would be an appropriate location for such a man. Are they thinking of Kurt Vonnegut, perhaps?

McHorde-Trooper · 25th July 2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by John Thiel

No action on this thread for two years, I see. Well, I've just recently seen "Citizen Joe" and it was particularly interesting to me because this writer who scoped the Gate's history so well lived in Indiana, which is where I live. According to the various space series shows, Janeway lived in Bloomington, Indiana, which is not far from here, and the Quantum Leaper came from Northern Indiana. So I'm wondering why the writers (if they were someone other than Joe; his titles have the same name as the episodes) thought Indiana would be an appropriate location for such a man. Are they thinking of Kurt Vonnegut, perhaps?

That is kind of unique. Hmm . . I wonder if something to do with the stereotypes of the state? Isn't it Iowa that has really flat land? That might get it stereotyped as boring. But I would guess Indiana is common, with a side of adventure (not knowing much about it I'm just guessing though).

Kurt Vonnegut? If I read the wiki on him will I get the reference?

18th October 2004, 10:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,595	8.18: Citizen Joe ----------------------------- Creating topic, remember you can only discuss this episode inside this topic. Reviews of the episode are encouraged -----------------------------

4th May 2007, 03:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
John Thiel John Thiel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 36	Re: 8.18: Citizen Joe No action on this thread for two years, I see. Well, I've just recently seen "Citizen Joe" and it was particularly interesting to me because this writer who scoped the Gate's history so well lived in Indiana, which is where I live. According to the various space series shows, Janeway lived in Bloomington, Indiana, which is not far from here, and the Quantum Leaper came from Northern Indiana. So I'm wondering why the writers (if they were someone other than Joe; his titles have the same name as the episodes) thought Indiana would be an appropriate location for such a man. Are they thinking of Kurt Vonnegut, perhaps?

2nd January 2005, 07:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
kylestargater Jaffa Defender Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 56	wahey!!!! guest starring Dan Castallanetta from the simpsons as Joe a barber who somehow knows all about SG-1 and their missions.

18th January 2005, 10:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
RangerOne SG13 SOR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 215	Dont get excited. A boring series of flashbacks of old episodes wrapped around the life of a Barber whos mind has been linked by an ancient device stone thingy to Jacks. What a waste of an episode and what a waste of a guest appearance. Shades of "Point of no return - Season 4" Is Stargate really THAT tired? Dissapointed yet again... Ranger

19th January 2005, 08:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
Brit Chick Ooh look - shiny things ! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London Posts: 277	Ok we all know they like to do a clip/bottle show at least once a season - and I quite like em as they remind me of the good stuff thats gone before. I really enjoyed Disclosure a couple of years ago and I thought this one was pretty good too I liked the way it worked on through the last 7 years and Joe and his son seeing Wormhole Extreme was funny - "they stole my idea" !!! Loved the little nods to the Simpsons as well - Jack and Joe discussing the whole "Burns as a Goauld" thing. Plus Jack very quietly sitting there saying he was sure he'd mentioned he been getting flashes of the life of a Barber - and that he found it relaxing.

19th January 2005, 11:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
imported_space monkey I'm back! Be afraid... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: England Posts: 445	I may be wrong but that last 'flashback' of Daniel and Jack looking at the stone, that was new right? Daniel's hair was never that bad, greasy and curtains! and Jack is far too grey. Just wondering... Way too many flashbacks, hardly anything new from SG1, but it was ok I suppose, not my fave ep at all.

19th January 2005, 01:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,595	I remember that part about having to catalogue all the stuff, so it must have only been the close up shot of 'grey' Jack holding the stone that was newly inserted there.

19th January 2005, 02:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Maria8475 It goes on..... Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,690	yeah as far as clip shows go, it wasn't bad. I loved Joe's reaction over Daniel 'dying' and coming back and his comment on Jonas. So true to life But if Joe was getting the stuff from Jack's reports - they must have been very vividly and accurately written. And what about him meeting 'ascended' Daniel - i thought he didn't tell anyone about that until months later - so would he put it in a report? I didn't like the part of Jack just living with having flashes of Joe's life and not mentioning it - with all the weird stuff that happens to them, surely he would have recognised that as slightly out of the ordinary. At the end, Jack goes to meet his wife. What would he say? That all his stories have been true, isn't that a security risk? Surely the best thing would have been to take the stone from Joe and tell him to move on with his life?

20th January 2005, 03:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Steffi Sexy & Sassy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: wales Posts: 586	Sigh.... Money saving ep again. This one it seems was just a foil for RDA to work with Homer from the Simpsons. Yes it was good to have a look at the flashbacks and if you were a new Stargate fan it was perfect......BUT!! I want some good storylines and I want Jack to behave like a good General should. I want to be on the edge of my seat again. Is it too much to ask?? This has to be the worse series so far, my head is in my hands.

8th March 2005, 02:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
McHorde-Trooper Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: McEarth Posts: 248	This will go down in history as the worst Stargate SG-1 episode ever. Intro a Mary Sue character like character and make a flashback episode. The only thing I find morbidly interesting . . what episodes where the writers admitting were "missteps"?