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I, Brian · 18th March 2004, 02:56 PM

This film is being greeted with great trepidation by those I know who are really into movies. They see AVP as nothing moer than a cheap cash-in orchestrated by talentless half-wits, who are incapable of making anything of great importance with an otherwise badly conceptualised film.

Bad eggs, poor faith, cynicism gone astray? Here's the trailer:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_trailer/

To be honest, I never thought much of the original "Aliens vs Predator" comic series by Dark Horse comics, which I bought and then bagged away without being particularly impressed. But I've always been a cynic - and a literary snob - so my appraisal hardly counts for much.

nemogbr · 18th March 2004, 03:43 PM

I did always like the idea of having a Ripley successor.

I have no idea how the film will turn out, but worse comes to worse, just leave your brain by the door and enjoy the bloodfest.

demigod.bran · 9th April 2004, 01:23 AM

being predator and aliens set in the same universe it was more than likely AvP was to come along. i could be good. i probably wont. but wot the hey. ill watch it.

MetalAlien · 13th August 2004, 10:58 AM

just saw it, spoilers below....

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it wasn't all that bad, I liked it better than Alien4. Basicly it's good as long as there aren't any humans in the scene. The human players are really bland, even good ole Lance seems to be a yawner. Although it was funny to see him playing the knife game that Bishop plays in the beginning of Aliens.

The story is a combination of Batman Vs Alien (the piramid and the south pole) with the original AVP comic (where the girl joins the preds and earns a mark on her skin as a sign she's a warrior). They should have stuck with the hot asian chick "look" like in the comics instead of going for the down to earth urban chick IMO- anyway. it was fun to watch and it has a lot of action, but it really is watered down for the PG-13. No human blood in the whole movie save for one spray on the ice. The predators from part 2 would be rolling over in their grave.

AND as expected Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr can NOT make a cool looking creature. The pattern is for them to get Stan Winstons left overs and to bastardize them into something with no life or cool-factor what so ever. The Aliens and predators (well the face of the predator anyway) have a power rangers quality to them. Yea speaking of the face of the preds, on the outside the preds look GREAT! Then they take off their mask and Alec and Tom show just how mediocre they really are....sad sad indeed. How do they still have jobs? Surely someone has told them how much they suck?

The queen looks nice, but for some reason they never change her design (which is good), why do they leave her alone and screw with the warriors' design?

The movie is better than part 4, yet seems cheap, yet stills entertains, yet could have been so much better, yet is better than I expected it to be, but somehow I keep hoping for a diamond in the rough, yet never get it...... I liked it, but could have done better myself.

The sound was just horrible though, the soundtrack was lifeless, none of the great music from the other films (that I can remember, it certainly didn't jump out at me if it was there). Nothing to build the mood....

It's worth 9 bucks though, and I'm glad they made it.

Dave · 8th June 2005, 05:20 PM

I just saw it on DVD. I thought that I ought to, though I wasn't expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I just couldn't see how they could square the timelines and previous continuity forcing these two universes together into one.

They way they did it makes some sense, but I guess this was all already in the comic? The young Predators have been coming to Earth every 100 years for thousands of years to battle with Aliens as a right of passage as Warriors. They use Humans to breed the Aliens and we once worshipped them as Gods (add Stargate to your list of derivations for this movie!)

They keep the Queen on ice for a hundred years then switch on the power and warm her up as they arrive. If the number of Aliens gets out of hand the wipe the planet clean, and any civilisation existing at that time in history.

It still leaves a number of questions unanswered:

I guess this was meant to explain how the company in the future knew the Aliens were out there, but since Bishop Weyland got wasted along with everyone except the girl, who was left with the knowledge about the Aliens to pass it on to Weyland Industries?

Why make an android based on a man who existed centuries ago unless he was very important? He could only be that important if he somehow did leave some record of information or smuggle out a Predator weapon, but we never saw that and due to the destruction that took place I find it hard to believe. And if he was so important, wouldn't you recognise his image in an android in the future if you worked for the company he created?

The alien that came out of the Predator at the end. Surely that couldn't be the first time in thousands of years? Is it really that much of a cliffhanger? Are Aliens bred inside Predators more powerful than Aliens bred inside Humans?

Overall, I liked what they did, but this film watered down the Aliens. They are not the intelligent predators that was hinted at in 'Alien' and 'Aliens', now they have become purely game to be hunted by the Predators. Not only that but one Alien could defeat two ships including a hand picked squad of space marines, and a colony of convicts, now a whole brood of Aliens gets defeated by a rock climbing environmental researcher, with the help of a Predator who ultimately fails his right of passage to become a Warrior. Does that seem right?

HDS · 25th June 2005, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
I just saw it on DVD. I thought that I ought to, though I wasn't expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I just couldn't see how they could square the timelines and previous continuity forcing these two universes together into one.

They way they did it makes some sense, but I guess this was all already in the comic? The young Predators have been coming to Earth every 100 years for thousands of years to battle with Aliens as a right of passage as Warriors. They use Humans to breed the Aliens and we once worshipped them as Gods (add Stargate to your list of derivations for this movie!)

They keep the Queen on ice for a hundred years then switch on the power and warm her up as they arrive. If the number of Aliens gets out of hand the wipe the planet clean, and any civilisation existing at that time in history.

It still leaves a number of questions unanswered:

I guess this was meant to explain how the company in the future knew the Aliens were out there, but since Bishop Weyland got wasted along with everyone except the girl, who was left with the knowledge about the Aliens to pass it on to Weyland Industries?

Why make an android based on a man who existed centuries ago unless he was very important? He could only be that important if he somehow did leave some record of information or smuggle out a Predator weapon, but we never saw that and due to the destruction that took place I find it hard to believe. And if he was so important, wouldn't you recognise his image in an android in the future if you worked for the company he created?

The alien that came out of the Predator at the end. Surely that couldn't be the first time in thousands of years? Is it really that much of a cliffhanger? Are Aliens bred inside Predators more powerful than Aliens bred inside Humans?

Overall, I liked what they did, but this film watered down the Aliens. They are not the intelligent predators that was hinted at in 'Alien' and 'Aliens', now they have become purely game to be hunted by the Predators. Not only that but one Alien could defeat two ships including a hand picked squad of space marines, and a colony of convicts, now a whole brood of Aliens gets defeated by a rock climbing environmental researcher, with the help of a Predator who ultimately fails his right of passage to become a Warrior. Does that seem right?

Check AVP2 the game, you will see that indeed aliens bred inside preds are much more powerful than those rbed inside humans

imported_lazygun · 19th July 2006, 12:18 AM

Just to throw in more input on the book-side of the Alien/Pred.series,there have been more than a few books following on from this,and it is as stated the Preds use Aliens as no more than Warrior training tools.Eventually the Queens are hunted/tapped by Human Army teams for their ,"Royal Jelly".

A rather sad end for what started out as a formidable foe.

Nesacat · 11th September 2006, 06:32 AM

Saw this one when it came out in the cinema and have seen it several times on DVD. Am enamoured of Predator so this would explain the repeated viewings. Am rather fond of the Alien as well and it's one of my favourite villains of all time. Giger did an amazing job creating this beast.

Admittedly there are huge gaps in the movie and a lot of it makes no sense the instant you give it any thought whatsoever. But it did provide an explanation for the existence of the Alien and it's presence in space. And there were some good fight sequences as well. The humans were pretty badly done overall and I have no idea how that guy suddenly totally understood all the writing on the wall.

But all in all it was a good attempt.

Illiad · 20th February 2007, 07:13 PM

I was disapointed when I saw it. It really makes the Predators out to be Pussies, while the Aliens seems to be Cannon Fodder instead of the swift, intelligent and vicious hunter we saw in Alien.

dragonhid60 · 3rd August 2007, 12:17 PM

I saw it a few years ago i think its a cool movie and i really like the aliens but i like the predators too,i cant decide.id rate it a ****

Harpo · 3rd September 2007, 11:03 PM

I've just seen it for the first time, on TV. It had some fun moments, but basically I still think they shouldn't have made it.

Dave · 3rd February 2008, 01:08 PM

I just saw this again and don't have much to add to what I originally said except that as there is now a sequel, one of the Aliens must have survived - explosion didn't kill them all, Queen survived falling to the bottom of the ocean, or the Predator-Alien escaped.

Charles Bishop Wayland being the head of Wayland still bugs me more than anything else. It just ruins 'Alien' because everyone aboard the Nostromo would have spotted that Bishop was an android immediately. It's like having a Richard Branson, Alan Sugar or Donald Trump come to work in your provincial office as the tea-boy.

I realise that 'AvP' did not create this problem though, since Ripley also met him in 'Alien3' (and that was meant to be the real Wayland because he bled - or was it?) There is a new problem now of how he died in 'AvP' but was still alive in 'Alien3'. Probably as result of the same cloning they used on Ripley in 'Alien: Resurrection'. They really should have stopped with 'Aliens'.

PTeppic · 3rd February 2008, 02:59 PM

If it helps, AVP:R starts five minutes after AvP finishes, and you're right with one of the guesses.

As for Wayland, he could have a son, or similar, and likenesses often skip a generation or two. "My, doesn't he look like his grandfather..." Even a cousin.

spaceseed · 26th March 2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I just saw this again and don't have much to add to what I originally said except that as there is now a sequel, one of the Aliens must have survived - explosion didn't kill them all, Queen survived falling to the bottom of the ocean, or the Predator-Alien escaped.

See, I actually liked the tie-in to the second AVP film, because the "problem" that sets up AVP:R is actually the "humanity" (for lack of a better term) of the Predators, rather than just deus ex machina - in this case, the fact that they "honor" their dead, rather than just leave them. It's the Predators need to "reclaim" the body of the last warrior and bring it back to their ship, not knowing that it's been impregnated with an Alien, that sets up the sequel - much better than just "oh, one must have escaped".

Plus, it sets up the whole "Predalien" creature that runs rampant in AVP:R, and that's just cool.

18th March 2004, 02:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK: SCOTLAND: Posts: 5,330	Aliens vs Predator This film is being greeted with great trepidation by those I know who are really into movies. They see AVP as nothing moer than a cheap cash-in orchestrated by talentless half-wits, who are incapable of making anything of great importance with an otherwise badly conceptualised film. Bad eggs, poor faith, cynicism gone astray? Here's the trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_trailer/ To be honest, I never thought much of the original "Aliens vs Predator" comic series by Dark Horse comics, which I bought and then bagged away without being particularly impressed. But I've always been a cynic - and a literary snob - so my appraisal hardly counts for much.

18th March 2004, 03:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
nemogbr Worlds Walker Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 226	Re: Aliens vs Predator I did always like the idea of having a Ripley successor. I have no idea how the film will turn out, but worse comes to worse, just leave your brain by the door and enjoy the bloodfest.

9th April 2004, 01:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
demigod.bran sleepy sleepy sleepy Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 27	Re: Aliens vs Predator being predator and aliens set in the same universe it was more than likely AvP was to come along. i could be good. i probably wont. but wot the hey. ill watch it.

13th August 2004, 10:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
MetalAlien Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 44	AVP: Aliens vs Predator (2004) just saw it, spoilers below.... - - - - - - spoilers------------------------------------------------ it wasn't all that bad, I liked it better than Alien4. Basicly it's good as long as there aren't any humans in the scene. The human players are really bland, even good ole Lance seems to be a yawner. Although it was funny to see him playing the knife game that Bishop plays in the beginning of Aliens. The story is a combination of Batman Vs Alien (the piramid and the south pole) with the original AVP comic (where the girl joins the preds and earns a mark on her skin as a sign she's a warrior). They should have stuck with the hot asian chick "look" like in the comics instead of going for the down to earth urban chick IMO- anyway. it was fun to watch and it has a lot of action, but it really is watered down for the PG-13. No human blood in the whole movie save for one spray on the ice. The predators from part 2 would be rolling over in their grave. AND as expected Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr can NOT make a cool looking creature. The pattern is for them to get Stan Winstons left overs and to bastardize them into something with no life or cool-factor what so ever. The Aliens and predators (well the face of the predator anyway) have a power rangers quality to them. Yea speaking of the face of the preds, on the outside the preds look GREAT! Then they take off their mask and Alec and Tom show just how mediocre they really are....sad sad indeed. How do they still have jobs? Surely someone has told them how much they suck? The queen looks nice, but for some reason they never change her design (which is good), why do they leave her alone and screw with the warriors' design? The movie is better than part 4, yet seems cheap, yet stills entertains, yet could have been so much better, yet is better than I expected it to be, but somehow I keep hoping for a diamond in the rough, yet never get it...... I liked it, but could have done better myself. The sound was just horrible though, the soundtrack was lifeless, none of the great music from the other films (that I can remember, it certainly didn't jump out at me if it was there). Nothing to build the mood.... It's worth 9 bucks though, and I'm glad they made it.

8th June 2005, 05:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,310	spoilers obviously I just saw it on DVD. I thought that I ought to, though I wasn't expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I just couldn't see how they could square the timelines and previous continuity forcing these two universes together into one. They way they did it makes some sense, but I guess this was all already in the comic? The young Predators have been coming to Earth every 100 years for thousands of years to battle with Aliens as a right of passage as Warriors. They use Humans to breed the Aliens and we once worshipped them as Gods (add Stargate to your list of derivations for this movie!) They keep the Queen on ice for a hundred years then switch on the power and warm her up as they arrive. If the number of Aliens gets out of hand the wipe the planet clean, and any civilisation existing at that time in history. It still leaves a number of questions unanswered: I guess this was meant to explain how the company in the future knew the Aliens were out there, but since Bishop Weyland got wasted along with everyone except the girl, who was left with the knowledge about the Aliens to pass it on to Weyland Industries? Why make an android based on a man who existed centuries ago unless he was very important? He could only be that important if he somehow did leave some record of information or smuggle out a Predator weapon, but we never saw that and due to the destruction that took place I find it hard to believe. And if he was so important, wouldn't you recognise his image in an android in the future if you worked for the company he created? The alien that came out of the Predator at the end. Surely that couldn't be the first time in thousands of years? Is it really that much of a cliffhanger? Are Aliens bred inside Predators more powerful than Aliens bred inside Humans? Overall, I liked what they did, but this film watered down the Aliens. They are not the intelligent predators that was hinted at in 'Alien' and 'Aliens', now they have become purely game to be hunted by the Predators. Not only that but one Alien could defeat two ships including a hand picked squad of space marines, and a colony of convicts, now a whole brood of Aliens gets defeated by a rock climbing environmental researcher, with the help of a Predator who ultimately fails his right of passage to become a Warrior. Does that seem right?

19th July 2006, 12:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
imported_lazygun Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Uzbekistan Posts: 21	Just to throw in more input on the book-side of the Alien/Pred.series,there have been more than a few books following on from this,and it is as stated the Preds use Aliens as no more than Warrior training tools.Eventually the Queens are hunted/tapped by Human Army teams for their ,"Royal Jelly". A rather sad end for what started out as a formidable foe.

11th September 2006, 06:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
Nesacat The Cat Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,569	Re: Just Saw AVP Saw this one when it came out in the cinema and have seen it several times on DVD. Am enamoured of Predator so this would explain the repeated viewings. Am rather fond of the Alien as well and it's one of my favourite villains of all time. Giger did an amazing job creating this beast. Admittedly there are huge gaps in the movie and a lot of it makes no sense the instant you give it any thought whatsoever. But it did provide an explanation for the existence of the Alien and it's presence in space. And there were some good fight sequences as well. The humans were pretty badly done overall and I have no idea how that guy suddenly totally understood all the writing on the wall. But all in all it was a good attempt.

20th February 2007, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Illiad The Analyst Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 7	Re: Just Saw AVP I was disapointed when I saw it. It really makes the Predators out to be Pussies, while the Aliens seems to be Cannon Fodder instead of the swift, intelligent and vicious hunter we saw in Alien.

3rd August 2007, 12:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
dragonhid60 Dragonhid60 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northumberland Posts: 7	Re: Just Saw AVP I saw it a few years ago i think its a cool movie and i really like the aliens but i like the predators too,i cant decide.id rate it a ****

3rd September 2007, 11:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
Harpo Lord of Autumn Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vatican City Posts: 460	Re: Just Saw AVP I've just seen it for the first time, on TV. It had some fun moments, but basically I still think they shouldn't have made it.

3rd February 2008, 01:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,310	Re: Just Saw AVP I just saw this again and don't have much to add to what I originally said except that as there is now a sequel, one of the Aliens must have survived - explosion didn't kill them all, Queen survived falling to the bottom of the ocean, or the Predator-Alien escaped. Charles Bishop Wayland being the head of Wayland still bugs me more than anything else. It just ruins 'Alien' because everyone aboard the Nostromo would have spotted that Bishop was an android immediately. It's like having a Richard Branson, Alan Sugar or Donald Trump come to work in your provincial office as the tea-boy. I realise that 'AvP' did not create this problem though, since Ripley also met him in 'Alien3' (and that was meant to be the real Wayland because he bled - or was it?) There is a new problem now of how he died in 'AvP' but was still alive in 'Alien3'. Probably as result of the same cloning they used on Ripley in 'Alien: Resurrection'. They really should have stopped with 'Aliens'.

3rd February 2008, 02:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,048	Re: AVP: Aliens vs Predator (2004) If it helps, AVP:R starts five minutes after AvP finishes, and you're right with one of the guesses. As for Wayland, he could have a son, or similar, and likenesses often skip a generation or two. "My, doesn't he look like his grandfather..." Even a cousin.

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