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I, Brian · 9th September 2004, 01:21 PM

Did they finally get home in the last episode of Voyager?

If so - what happened? All in one piece, all crew surviving? Or a tragedy?

Or left loose-ended, still floating through space retracing the adventures of the Odyssey as the original series did?

PLEASE CLEARLY MARK OUT SPOILERS!!!

Princess Ivy · 9th September 2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

Did they finally get home in the last episode of Voyager?

If so - what happened? All in one piece, all crew surviving? Or a tragedy?

Or left loose-ended, still floating through space retracing the adventures of the Odyssey as the original series did?

PLEASE CLEARLY MARK OUT SPOILERS!!!

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The story goes that they made it home, with the original crew, mostly intact. Seven of Nine was dead however (she had been in a relationship with Chacotaty). Touvak had a serious mental degeneration, which could have been reversed if he could have been gotten to Vulcan in time. Therefore, janeway goes back, in time, to help the ship get home more quickly. She takes new antiborg technology with her, and using the borg transwarp conduits get them home, I think but stand to be corrected, ten years earlier than they should have done. with the older Janeway dying and taking the borg queen with her in the process.
They really messed up big time on the time paradoxes in that one, as with the original old captain dying, who would go back? it was the tech that they picked up on their way home which enable the anti borg tech, therefore, without that jorney, they could not have had the tech...
It was an exciting, if predictable episode (double) but a bit of a cop out.

Lacedaemonian · 9th September 2004, 01:57 PM

Which Star Trek character is this?

I, Brian · 10th September 2004, 09:29 AM

Thanks Princess Ivy - I think I'd heard something about Jayneway going back and saving them all, but wasn't sure. Overall, bad scripting and - omigosh, not understanding of time paradoxes - sounds pretty standard fare, unfortunately.

Princess Ivy · 10th September 2004, 10:27 AM

LOL
Yep, for Trek, but thats part of the fun, and doesn't, generally, stop me from enjoying it none the less.

LadyFel · 10th September 2004, 02:48 PM

I think the idea was, Janeway who returned went back in time, and when her past self died and took the Borg Queen down, the one from the future just took over, got them to install the technologies and took them home again...it just turns into a sort of time loop...

I do know that as the various series cross over sometimes (Ben Sisko and Cpt.Picard having a friendly chat aboard DS9 and such), I've seen a couple of episodes from TNG or DS9, can't remember which, where one of the offisers is having a video conference with ADMIRAL Janeway...But don't hold me to that...

Alysheba · 24th June 2005, 09:33 PM

I wonder why it is that ultimately great shows end up losing it in the end? It was a poor ending to an otherwise great show. Somehow I keep saying that a lot these days. Why can't the in the end just let characters die? It happens in real life. Why go messing with the past/future etc. in these kinds of shows? To me it gets rather boring very quickly.

Traveller · 27th June 2005, 06:59 AM

The last 2 episodes Endgame I & Endgame II were shown on Sky one this weekend and then again this morning so it will probably be shown this weekend on Sky Mix - Sunday from 12 - 2pm 3 July

Princess Ivy · 2nd July 2005, 01:05 AM

thanks babe

wolfgirl · 23rd October 2005, 03:01 AM

We rented the whole seven seasons--in order--from Netflix. You should check it out! Pretty awesome!

kyektulu · 17th March 2006, 05:35 PM

Yes Janeway sacrificed her future self to get them home 10 years earlier and stop 7of9 from dying... jolly nice of her.

Winters_Sorrow · 17th March 2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kyektulu

Yes Janeway sacrificed her future self to get them home 10 years earlier and stop 7of9 from dying... jolly nice of her.

but of course she didn't, because she got back years earlier thanks to advanced tech from her future self, who wasn't her future self, because her future had now changed, so that future self didn't exist and so couldn't have gone back in time to help her.

I love the time paradox

kyektulu · 17th March 2006, 06:35 PM

I get sooo confused with paradox's!

There always seems to be some other factor to consider in time travel...

My partner trys to explain them to me, bless him, but im not as scientificly minded as him.

Thanks Winters.

Paradox 99 · 17th March 2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kyektulu

I get sooo confused with paradox's!

Ok, here's the answer ... it was me.

Clangador · 3rd April 2006, 07:00 AM

Not every series can end as well as The Next Generation. Certainly Voyager didn't.

9th September 2004, 01:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK: SCOTLAND: Posts: 5,370	Voyager - did they? Did they finally get home in the last episode of Voyager? If so - what happened? All in one piece, all crew surviving? Or a tragedy? Or left loose-ended, still floating through space retracing the adventures of the Odyssey as the original series did? PLEASE CLEARLY MARK OUT SPOILERS!!!

9th September 2004, 01:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,353	Re: Voyager - did they? Which Star Trek character is this? Attached Images

10th September 2004, 09:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK: SCOTLAND: Posts: 5,370	Re: Voyager - did they? Thanks Princess Ivy - I think I'd heard something about Jayneway going back and saving them all, but wasn't sure. Overall, bad scripting and - omigosh, not understanding of time paradoxes - sounds pretty standard fare, unfortunately.

10th September 2004, 10:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
Princess Ivy Damsel in this dress Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,763	Re: Voyager - did they? LOL Yep, for Trek, but thats part of the fun, and doesn't, generally, stop me from enjoying it none the less.

10th September 2004, 02:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
LadyFel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 311	Re: Voyager - did they? I think the idea was, Janeway who returned went back in time, and when her past self died and took the Borg Queen down, the one from the future just took over, got them to install the technologies and took them home again...it just turns into a sort of time loop... I do know that as the various series cross over sometimes (Ben Sisko and Cpt.Picard having a friendly chat aboard DS9 and such), I've seen a couple of episodes from TNG or DS9, can't remember which, where one of the offisers is having a video conference with ADMIRAL Janeway...But don't hold me to that...

24th June 2005, 09:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Alysheba Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Re: Voyager - did they? I wonder why it is that ultimately great shows end up losing it in the end? It was a poor ending to an otherwise great show. Somehow I keep saying that a lot these days. Why can't the in the end just let characters die? It happens in real life. Why go messing with the past/future etc. in these kinds of shows? To me it gets rather boring very quickly.

27th June 2005, 06:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
Traveller To the moon and stars Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 91	Re: Voyager - did they? The last 2 episodes Endgame I & Endgame II were shown on Sky one this weekend and then again this morning so it will probably be shown this weekend on Sky Mix - Sunday from 12 - 2pm 3 July

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Princess Ivy Damsel in this dress Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,763	Re: Voyager - did they? thanks babe

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wolfgirl Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 13	Re: Voyager - did they? We rented the whole seven seasons--in order--from Netflix. You should check it out! Pretty awesome!

17th March 2006, 05:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
kyektulu White Wolf Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 1,965	Re: Voyager - did they? Yes Janeway sacrificed her future self to get them home 10 years earlier and stop 7of9 from dying... jolly nice of her.

17th March 2006, 06:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
kyektulu White Wolf Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 1,965	Re: Voyager - did they? I get sooo confused with paradox's! There always seems to be some other factor to consider in time travel... My partner trys to explain them to me, bless him, but im not as scientificly minded as him. Thanks Winters.

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Clangador Lord of Dunroamin Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20	Re: Voyager - did they? Not every series can end as well as The Next Generation. Certainly Voyager didn't.