Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

I, Brian · 9th September 2004, 01:19 PM

After "Voyager" I imagined a new show called "Ambassador" - a figure like Jean Luc Picard travelling a D-class Enterprise, whose mission was to help erstore order and confidence in the Trek universe, especially after all the DS9 upset. Basically, I was thinking that the Trek producers would try and pull everything back into a more settled state, bring the franchise under a sense of completion, and reach a point of moving on into new territory based on favourite old concepts.

But what did they do instead? Create a complete new and unreferenced history, effectively destroying the credibility of a Star Trek time line and any sense of continuity, gave the show a soft rock anthem, and has effectively left the entire Trek Universe in an extended state of incompletion.

However, is it just my being grumpy, or did the producers move along the right path? Was it really necessary and desirable to bring Trek forward to our own time, and make it more accessible? Or is there still a need to wrap up Trek and kill the loose ends?

Princess Ivy · 9th September 2004, 01:56 PM

They should just kill enterprise. The mistakes and problems in the continum of the ST universe that have been caused by the show are appaling, and impossible to ignore!
The show was a flop from the begining, as in trying to cater to the viewing majority, they lost the essence which made the original and subsequent series so successfull. Because it was such a disaster, they tried to bring it forward in time, to the more popular time references of TOS, TNG, Voyager. But that hasn't worked either.
I don't know where Trek can go from here, but they should scupper the series and pretend the mistake never happend, for a start.

Seth God Of Chaos · 9th September 2004, 03:17 PM

You never know they could be setting it up to bring the new enterprise into the future its true though that there are by far too many loose ends and plot flaws like the meeting with the fehrengi

Capt.Janeway · 26th November 2006, 10:27 PM

I agree, they should kill Enterprise. I always imagined they would bring out a new Voyager A, that would officially explore the Delta Quardant! They still, however, could do this, I hope they do. Does anyone agree?

Janeway Out!

Trey Greyjoy · 26th November 2006, 11:43 PM

Personally I never understood why Enterprise was so hated. I thought it was excellent.
Although moments of Voyager were excellent, I always found it to be rather inconsistent.

steve12553 · 27th November 2006, 02:59 AM

Enterprise somewhat rewrote the connection to the Original Series from which all things Star Trek flow. Enterprise was the weekest of the series' mainly because if you were a fan of the others you always were thinking about inconsistencies.

Trey Greyjoy · 27th November 2006, 04:27 AM

Thats funny because I never worried about it. I just enjoyed the stories. Oh well, to each his own.

Winters_Sorrow · 27th November 2006, 10:23 AM

I just found Enterprise a bit weak because it relied so heavily on introducing 'known' races such as Klingons (and not the Imperial ones either!) so early on.
I'm glad that they gave the Vulcan and Andorian races a bit more meat however.

Supersith · 14th April 2007, 06:25 PM

I saw some of it before I became a big trek fan when enterprise was just coming out, since then I'd become a huge fan of all of the other trek series and upon rewatching enterprise, I still enjoy it alot, I just take it for what it is, accept the mistake, and hope, if they make another trek series, they avoid those mistakes. All in all I'm still able to enjoy the show.

ray gower · 14th April 2007, 08:54 PM

Okay, Enterprise had a lot of faults: Badly realised and repetitive stories, poorly defined and anonymous main characters and possibly irritates a few rivet counters with their dreamed up history. But it was a far better homily to Trek than Voyager ever was.

If it had had a real chance i.e. a couple of years break between Voyager finishing and it starting, then there would have been no problem.

I would suggest it was Voyager that was the real mistake and the rot set in there. Make no mistake- I think Voyager was a major advance in concept for the franchise, but it needed the coherent sequential story and drama that only pre-planning can provide.

Only the introduction of 7o9 to add a focus for half a season did it ever disguise the fact that stories and scripts were being grabbed from the writing committee before the ink dried. Compare that to say Doctor Who, where all the stories, scripts and majority of planning for a season have been completed before a camera is set up

9th September 2004, 01:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK: SCOTLAND: Posts: 5,364	Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? After "Voyager" I imagined a new show called "Ambassador" - a figure like Jean Luc Picard travelling a D-class Enterprise, whose mission was to help erstore order and confidence in the Trek universe, especially after all the DS9 upset. Basically, I was thinking that the Trek producers would try and pull everything back into a more settled state, bring the franchise under a sense of completion, and reach a point of moving on into new territory based on favourite old concepts. But what did they do instead? Create a complete new and unreferenced history, effectively destroying the credibility of a Star Trek time line and any sense of continuity, gave the show a soft rock anthem, and has effectively left the entire Trek Universe in an extended state of incompletion. However, is it just my being grumpy, or did the producers move along the right path? Was it really necessary and desirable to bring Trek forward to our own time, and make it more accessible? Or is there still a need to wrap up Trek and kill the loose ends?

9th September 2004, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Princess Ivy Damsel in this dress Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,763	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? They should just kill enterprise. The mistakes and problems in the continum of the ST universe that have been caused by the show are appaling, and impossible to ignore! The show was a flop from the begining, as in trying to cater to the viewing majority, they lost the essence which made the original and subsequent series so successfull. Because it was such a disaster, they tried to bring it forward in time, to the more popular time references of TOS, TNG, Voyager. But that hasn't worked either. I don't know where Trek can go from here, but they should scupper the series and pretend the mistake never happend, for a start.

9th September 2004, 03:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Seth God Of Chaos A God In My Own World Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 167	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? You never know they could be setting it up to bring the new enterprise into the future its true though that there are by far too many loose ends and plot flaws like the meeting with the fehrengi

26th November 2006, 10:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Capt.Janeway Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? I agree, they should kill Enterprise. I always imagined they would bring out a new Voyager A, that would officially explore the Delta Quardant! They still, however, could do this, I hope they do. Does anyone agree? Janeway Out!

26th November 2006, 11:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Trey Greyjoy Moderates UNITE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 622	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? Personally I never understood why Enterprise was so hated. I thought it was excellent. Although moments of Voyager were excellent, I always found it to be rather inconsistent.

27th November 2006, 02:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
steve12553 The Enigma of Steel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 838	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? Enterprise somewhat rewrote the connection to the Original Series from which all things Star Trek flow. Enterprise was the weekest of the series' mainly because if you were a fan of the others you always were thinking about inconsistencies.

27th November 2006, 04:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
Trey Greyjoy Moderates UNITE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 622	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? Thats funny because I never worried about it. I just enjoyed the stories. Oh well, to each his own.

27th November 2006, 10:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
Winters_Sorrow Unreg. Mutant Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tyne and Wear Posts: 2,689	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? I just found Enterprise a bit weak because it relied so heavily on introducing 'known' races such as Klingons (and not the Imperial ones either!) so early on. I'm glad that they gave the Vulcan and Andorian races a bit more meat however.

14th April 2007, 06:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Supersith Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? I saw some of it before I became a big trek fan when enterprise was just coming out, since then I'd become a huge fan of all of the other trek series and upon rewatching enterprise, I still enjoy it alot, I just take it for what it is, accept the mistake, and hope, if they make another trek series, they avoid those mistakes. All in all I'm still able to enjoy the show.

14th April 2007, 08:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,579	Re: Voyager to Enterprise - a mistake? Okay, Enterprise had a lot of faults: Badly realised and repetitive stories, poorly defined and anonymous main characters and possibly irritates a few rivet counters with their dreamed up history. But it was a far better homily to Trek than Voyager ever was. If it had had a real chance i.e. a couple of years break between Voyager finishing and it starting, then there would have been no problem. I would suggest it was Voyager that was the real mistake and the rot set in there. Make no mistake- I think Voyager was a major advance in concept for the franchise, but it needed the coherent sequential story and drama that only pre-planning can provide. Only the introduction of 7o9 to add a focus for half a season did it ever disguise the fact that stories and scripts were being grabbed from the writing committee before the ink dried. Compare that to say Doctor Who, where all the stories, scripts and majority of planning for a season have been completed before a camera is set up