Will Neo Sacrifice Himself in Revolutions? - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

andernout · 20th October 2003, 02:31 PM

What Do You Think?

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Spudnik · 20th October 2003, 09:57 PM

perhaps.

but consider: if he did, the "integral anomaly" that the architect called him, would be no more; thus creating a perfect world, where the architect could create and destroy at will.

the presence of the anomaly makes the arcitect's administrative control much harder, it also controls what the architect can ... archetize. lol

get me?

ray gower · 20th October 2003, 11:36 PM

I think the series will require the sacrifice of Neo to bring the destruction of the Matrix.

From Reloaded I got the distinct impression that Neo is essential to the smooth running of the Matrix. He is somewhere for all the drifts and imponderables to go.

Without him the Matrix is perfect and it destroys itself, so when he loses, he wins.

Spudnik · 20th October 2003, 11:54 PM

nice theory, ray.

will ponder.

pkgrl · 7th November 2003, 12:02 AM

But Neo never wanted the matrix to be destroyed. He only ever wanted the war to end... he wanted peace. The problem is that the Architect wants a perfectly balanced equation, but nothing can be perfect or balanced when human beings are involved in it. We're imperfect, illogical creatures that seem to thrive on discord and conflict. Just ask Smith.

timdgreat · 7th November 2003, 02:45 AM

ray, if the matrix how does it destroy itself?(u confused me with this):rolly2:

ray gower · 9th November 2003, 02:33 AM

Happy to say I've still not seen the film and am avoiding the spoilers at least until it appears for rent in Spar, so this is just an opinion.

I think Mr Smith has a significant role to play on the grounds he seems to be fighting everybody, intent on the destruction of everything and getting stronger! There is also the broader deeper biblical meanings behind the story.

If Neo destroys the Matrix, it will restart as bigger and better. In the process it destroys the free humans. It may be a case that Neo must become the Matrix to recreate it. But we then have the Smith factor that can no longer be controlled. Which ever way- Neo loses, possibly with a side order of the destruction of the Matrix

If Neo is destroyed. The Matrix destroys Free humans. Without Neo there is no balance for the destructive influence of Smith the Matrix is destroyed. Everybody loses

If Neo does not destroy the Matrix and he is not destroyed, then the Matrix will concentrate more and more resources upon the 'Free' humans, ultimately resulting in their destruction, whilst Neo is fiighting an ever more powerful Smith. The destruction of the 'Free' Humans will ultimately end in the destruction of the Matrix as there is no where for stray variables to go. Either way. Neo loses.

If Neo surrenders himself for peace. The Matrix can combat Smith effectively neutralising him. Because the Matrix has not been restarted. Neo can continue, if in name only, as a faith (ala christianity?). The Matrix has not been destroyed, but now has to accommodate 'Free' humans, time will then bring on the orderly dismantling of the Matrix. Neo wins

Spudnik · 9th November 2003, 10:50 PM

ur gonna have to see it.

pkgrl · 9th November 2003, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by Spudnik
ur gonna have to see it.

I concur. And on the big screen. Don't wait for the video. If you don't want to "waste" money (like some people claimed) go to a matinee or look for a deal somewhere. But definately see it on the big screen. All action movies look better in the theater than they do on TV... any TV.

ray gower · 10th November 2003, 12:08 AM

Quote:

All action movies look better in the theater than they do on TV... any TV.

I concur whole heartedly, normally.

But wasn't greatly impressed with Reloaded as an action film at the cinema, so don't see me missing much here.
All the fancy dancing hid what is a fascinating story. So I'll watch the video and I can fast forward through the dull stuff (at least through the second viewing) and track the story?

Besides, it'll be an anti-climax if I'm right (or even half right!). If I'm wrong then the story makes even less sense than it does to date.

Of course I could change my mind when I hear about it from my grandson tomorrow?

Dave · 10th November 2003, 10:15 PM

It is an anti-climax, the climax comes somewhere near the end of Reloaded in my opinion, but if you want the story, then I think that Revolutions develops the plot more. It just has such an unsatisfying end. Sorry, I'm starting to repeat myself now in these threads.

timdgreat · 13th November 2003, 05:21 PM

its ok Dave we are after all 'Only Human'

:rolly2:

CrimsonBeasts · 15th April 2004, 03:48 AM

ive already seen the last matrix and im happy to say that he dies. he works with the machines to stop smith and leaves the world in realtive peace and harmony. neo is a ninja in training, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to die.

timdgreat · 15th April 2004, 05:45 PM

thanks for that info CB:rolly2:

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20th October 2003, 09:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	perhaps. but consider: if he did, the "integral anomaly" that the architect called him, would be no more; thus creating a perfect world, where the architect could create and destroy at will. the presence of the anomaly makes the arcitect's administrative control much harder, it also controls what the architect can ... archetize. lol get me?

20th October 2003, 11:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,576	I think the series will require the sacrifice of Neo to bring the destruction of the Matrix. From Reloaded I got the distinct impression that Neo is essential to the smooth running of the Matrix. He is somewhere for all the drifts and imponderables to go. Without him the Matrix is perfect and it destroys itself, so when he loses, he wins.

20th October 2003, 11:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	nice theory, ray. will ponder.

7th November 2003, 12:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	But Neo never wanted the matrix to be destroyed. He only ever wanted the war to end... he wanted peace. The problem is that the Architect wants a perfectly balanced equation, but nothing can be perfect or balanced when human beings are involved in it. We're imperfect, illogical creatures that seem to thrive on discord and conflict. Just ask Smith.

7th November 2003, 02:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	ray, if the matrix how does it destroy itself?(u confused me with this):rolly2:

9th November 2003, 02:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,576	Happy to say I've still not seen the film and am avoiding the spoilers at least until it appears for rent in Spar, so this is just an opinion. I think Mr Smith has a significant role to play on the grounds he seems to be fighting everybody, intent on the destruction of everything and getting stronger! There is also the broader deeper biblical meanings behind the story. If Neo destroys the Matrix, it will restart as bigger and better. In the process it destroys the free humans. It may be a case that Neo must become the Matrix to recreate it. But we then have the Smith factor that can no longer be controlled. Which ever way- Neo loses, possibly with a side order of the destruction of the Matrix If Neo is destroyed. The Matrix destroys Free humans. Without Neo there is no balance for the destructive influence of Smith the Matrix is destroyed. Everybody loses If Neo does not destroy the Matrix and he is not destroyed, then the Matrix will concentrate more and more resources upon the 'Free' humans, ultimately resulting in their destruction, whilst Neo is fiighting an ever more powerful Smith. The destruction of the 'Free' Humans will ultimately end in the destruction of the Matrix as there is no where for stray variables to go. Either way. Neo loses. If Neo surrenders himself for peace. The Matrix can combat Smith effectively neutralising him. Because the Matrix has not been restarted. Neo can continue, if in name only, as a faith (ala christianity?). The Matrix has not been destroyed, but now has to accommodate 'Free' humans, time will then bring on the orderly dismantling of the Matrix. Neo wins

9th November 2003, 10:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	ur gonna have to see it.

10th November 2003, 10:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,310	It is an anti-climax, the climax comes somewhere near the end of Reloaded in my opinion, but if you want the story, then I think that Revolutions develops the plot more. It just has such an unsatisfying end. Sorry, I'm starting to repeat myself now in these threads.

13th November 2003, 05:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	its ok Dave we are after all 'Only Human' :rolly2:

15th April 2004, 05:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	thanks for that info CB:rolly2: