regarding the Super Soldures (season 7 spoilers)

[gland]

I watched the summer finale last night, and I just want to make sure I understand the origion of these guys. So here goes what I got from the episode:

The ancients had invented a cube-shaped device that is capible of giving life to a previously lifeless vessle (ala Frankenstines monster). The Goa'uld found it and studied it, but their scientific knowledge was too limited (compaired to that of the ancients) to figure out how it works, thus the most they were able to achieve was a device that could heal/sustain life almost indefionately (sarcofigus). A Goa'uld stole and hid the device, then died. When Anubis ascended, he gained the knowledge needed to build his own. Thus Anubis builds one, and uses it to animate his army of heavily armored weapon-proof kamakazi soldures.

Now, as for HOW Anubis did this, I understand it to be as such: these beings likely started out as normal innocent humanoid beings that got their insides messed around with medically by Anubis and his buddies. They were given unuaually large hearts and lungs, in order to allow them both unusually hugh levels of strength, as well as the ability to function normally under the weight of that dense armor. The effect of these unproportional insides is that their hearts give out fairly quickly...probably within hours of their "birth"...and it is likely thanks only to the presence of a Goa'uld symbiot that their bodies last even that long.

As for the armor itself, it seems built with the ability to either absorb or dispurse energy pulses on impact. No manor of energy projectile or shield has phased it thus far, but I'd still be interested to see what one of the larger staf-like cannons and/or ship guns could do.

Another side not is that while the armor is a kickass anti-energy weapon defense, it's just as good at protecting against physical impact. Bullets, claymores...hell, a couple pounds of C-4 blowing up under it acomplishes nothing.



...I'm gonna like these guys

[Rowan]

Thank you for remembering to tag this as a spoiler thread.

Rowan

[gland]

No problem. To tell the truth, I'm one of thise people who absolutely 100% hates spoilers...what's the point of watching it if you already know what's going to happen, in my opinion...anyway, I try to never spoil surprises for people.


...so did I comprehend the super soldure stuff right?

[Rowan]

Sound like a good overview to me. I didn't get a chance to watch the ep on the reg screen [wasn't home and couldn't tape it] so I've only seen it, so far, on 'squinty-vision'. - at least until my torrent downloads { } so I'll have a better idea when I can see it on something bigger than 240x400.

Rowan

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by gland
As for the armor itself, it seems built with the ability to either absorb or dispurse energy pulses on impact. No manor of energy projectile or shield has phased it thus far, but I'd still be interested to see what one of the larger staf-like cannons and/or ship guns could do.

Well, I'm years away from seeing it, BUT, we already know that the replicators have energy dissipation technology and are almost immune to energy weapons, so it's not impossible... The resistance to kinetic/ballistic weapons is more interesting...

Sounds like these are going to be good episodes! [which eps are they?]

[gland]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Sounds like these are going to be good episodes! [which eps are they?]

This was basically mid way through season seven. Scifi is going to air the next half of the season in a few months.

[beckmen]

I think these guys are test tube babies. Anubis has a facility somewhere where he simply clones them in tanks and "activates" them when he needs to. Both the host and symbiote are both likely clones, since both are genetically manipulated.

I don't like how indestructable these things are. It's too campy. What is the SGC to do? I guess we'll have to wait and see. (for more info on my opinion on this issue see my post in the Evolution Part 1 thread in the Season 7 section)

[Sindri]

From the explanation of the new armour it works through dissipating attacks from directed energy weapons and is also a ballistic shield. However, this doesn't justify its observed performance during the SG teams' ambush. Even if projectile weapons can’t penetrate the Super Soldiers’ armour, some damage should still be inflicted through blunt force trauma. The subject should not have been able to walk through Claymore and C4 explosions without taking damage from the concussive shock.

[Rowan]

You see the same thing with today's modern ballistic armor.

Yes, a well made ballistic vest will stop the penitration of an 'x' caliber slug, but you still have to deal with the back deformation it creats and that alone can kill someone if it's deep enough. Things like the sternum don't like being smashed back a couple of inches and the heart even more so.

Rowan

[gland]

Well, as I understand it, the bodies of the Super Soldures are designed to only last a short time, and thus the increases in internals is for the purpose of getting the maximum levels out of it in that short time...a lifetime worth of strength and stamina packed within the span of a few hours.

Basically I think a large part of it lies with the biology.

[beckmen]

Where do you guys live where you spell "soldier" as "soldure"?

[gland]

Originally posted by beckmen
Where do you guys live where you spell "soldier" as "soldure"?

Typo. Considering that I'm typing with a brace over one finger, I'd go insane if I had to go back and fix every little wrong key that this dang bulbis thing hits.

[Sindri]

It is not fully explained how the forces of several Goa'uld were defeated by very small numbers of the Super Soldiers. Even if the new combat gear renders the subjects invulnerable to Goa'uld small arms, the defending forces should still have heavier ordinance capable of destroying the new units. Arms designed for use against aerospace units and armoured vehicles should have been deployed against the new adversaries.
Having a weapon mounted on the back of the wrist prevents the user from aiming precisely. Also this weapon doesn't appear cause significantly more damage than a normal Goa'uld staff. Therefore the only use of the new Super Soldiers appears to be fighting lightly armed opponents at very close range. Considering these new forces are slow to move and have no special abilities to take the enemy by surprise they probably should not have been so successful in battle.

[Fifth]

Actually, the reason Anubis was able to use this device is that he himself has actually ascended to the higher plane of life that the Ancients (Oma Desala, Shifu, etc.) exist. He requires a sheild to manipulate the body so his actions are not detected by the Ancients, which he would subsequently be disbanded and returned to his original living body, like Dr. Jackson. Also, Carter has a working prototype that is very effective at killing the Anubis Drones, which aids in the destruction of Anubis' mother ship over the Antarctic via the Ancient outpost.

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Sindri
Even if the new combat gear renders the subjects invulnerable to Goa'uld small arms, the defending forces should still have heavier ordinance capable of destroying the new units. Arms designed for use against aerospace units and armoured vehicles should have been deployed against the new adversaries.
Having a weapon mounted on the back of the wrist prevents the user from aiming precisely. Also this weapon doesn't appear cause significantly more damage than a normal Goa'uld staff. Therefore the only use of the new Super Soldiers appears to be fighting lightly armed opponents at very close range. Considering these new forces are slow to move and have no special abilities to take the enemy by surprise they probably should not have been so successful in battle.

I'd disagree with the conclusion. In general terms a battle between Jaffa is pretty evenly matched - they're armed with staff weapons (they don't seem to use zats against each other). They also only seem to use the staff cannon against buildings etc., so may not have general access to such weapons. We have never seen land-based vehicles, let alone armoured ones, since they generally use flying craft for movement. Whilst staff weapons can be fired quickly (see the first appearance of Bra'tac) they generally don't seem to be. As a result, the rate of fire from the super soldiers twin weapons greatly outgun the average Jaffa. Aiming would appear to be similar to a staff weapon, and after all they do have fully mature Goa'uld symbiotes "in control" inside. As such, since they are otherwise impervious to attack themselves, they should cut through any Jaffa patrol or even army like a knife through butter. Further, the Goa'uld being attacked will be careless to the point of being callous in the use of his Jaffa, potentially not allowing their own defence.