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Analise · 16th August 2003, 10:10 PM

I forgot where this was discussed, I can't find the original mention, but anyway, somewhere someone was wondering how R2 could know how to find obi and whatnot if he had a memory wipe.

Or something, for some reason it was suggested that he must've had one because he didn't remember being on tatooine.

Grr, wish I could remember exactly what was said.

ANYWAY.

The point is, I'm staring at ANH right now and it's rather obvious, threepio doesn't remember because he probably did get wiped regularly (which is also why he doens't really have much personality). However, artoo somehow avoided said memory wipes, he remembers fine. I think he lies, LOL, but he remembers. That's how he knew to find the nearby settlements, remember when threepio asks "how do you know settlements are that way?". And how he knew where to go to find obi. And all that fun stuff.

If this is stupid and redundant, ignore me.

pkgrl · 17th August 2003, 02:05 AM

Maybe redundant, but not stupid.

I think you've got it right. I honestly don't think Artoo has ever had a memory wipe. It's entirely possible that he's upgraded himself so his storage capacity for memory is greater than other R2 units of his generation. He's quite clever... for a droid, that is.

HeyLynny · 30th August 2003, 01:45 AM

I just thought that Princess Leia told him when she gave him the mesage for Obi-Won.

timdgreat · 30th August 2003, 02:36 AM

well later in the EU it is stated several times that R2 has never had his memory wiped:rolly2:

Tabitha · 30th August 2003, 02:37 AM

Hmmm, plus, if you were R2, would you trust 3PO with any remotely important secret?

timdgreat · 30th August 2003, 02:47 AM

yeah i wouldnt either, but u also gotta wonder what made him avoid memory wipes in the first place?:rolly2:

Tabitha · 30th August 2003, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by timdgreat
yeah i wouldnt either, but u also gotta wonder what made him avoid memory wipes in the first place?:rolly2:

Who's to say it was a conscious choice? Maybe R2 units just aren't viewed as all that important in the grand scheme of things? Why bother wiping their memories?
3PO on the other hand, he is such a hypochondriac worrier that it would be hard to imagine him not spilling the wrong beans at the wrong time. Also, I wonder why Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru didn't acknowledge how strange it was for the same droid to find its way back to their home on Tatooine after leaving with Anakin. Assuming of course that they know more about the backstory of Anakin and Darth Vader than they let on.

timdgreat · 30th August 2003, 03:02 AM

well u also have to remember that lucas wasnt thinking about the prequels when he wrote the original trilogly, so the lars didnt know R2 yet cuase he hadnt met them yet

:rolly2:

Tabitha · 30th August 2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by timdgreat
well u also have to remember that lucas wasnt thinking about the prequels when he wrote the original trilogly, so the lars didnt know R2 yet cuase he hadnt met them yet:rolly2:

Which brings the whole argument full circle!
I don't mind Lucas taking some liberties with plausabilty and continuity between the two trilogies, as long as there aren't any inconsistencies that are too glaring.

edited to add: I was referring to C3PO - even if everyone's favourite camp android had had its memory wiped, the Lars should remember him from Tatooine - wasn't he there when Anakin and Padme returned in Ep2?

timdgreat · 30th August 2003, 03:10 AM

yeah but unfortunatly he has made quite a few glaring ones

:rolly2:

pkgrl · 30th August 2003, 03:59 PM

HeyLynny: Told what to R2?

And as for Owen and Beru recognizing 3PO or R2, remember that these are "just droids," so in the grand scheme of things, Owen and Beru have probably seen dozens of R2 units and at least several protocol droids. They didn't buy 3PO knowing his designation, and after twenty-plus years of surviving on Tattooine, probably wouldn't have remembered 3PO's anyway. All protocol droids have similar coverings, so 3PO isn't all that unique on the outside. It's his personality that made him so different... and the fact that he was a custom-made droid.

And in general, all droids in the SW universe are memory-wiped from time to time, or they start developing quirks that the owners don't want to put up with. I think R2D2 has managed to avoid it by disguising his behavior. For some reason (and I'd like to see the story of his origins) he's able to predict human actions and either put himself in a position of being forgotten or he simply acts as the humans would want him to act, thus avoiding any detrimental memory wipes or other modification.

Or maybe Padme issued an order before she went from Queen to Senator that this particular droid was never to be wiped as long as it served her and her family.

Remember, he was still Leia's at the beginning of ANH, then Luke's, so he's always been in Padme's family's possession... for as long as we've known him, anyway.

HeyLynny · 2nd September 2003, 04:30 AM

Told R2 how to find Obi-Won.

pkgrl · 2nd September 2003, 12:05 PM

Ahhhh. Actually, I doubt that R2 ever knew exactly where Obi-Wan is. He's kind of in hiding, remember. He's not even using the name of Obi-Wan anymore.

I think all Leia told him was whom to look for. It was up to R2 to figure out where to look.

But I am sure that he remembers the younger Obi-Wan from many, many years earlier. Obviously, he didn't know what Obi-Wan looked like later because he was afraid of the old man when he finally appeared. He just remembered the name... and probably the name Skywalker, too.

16th August 2003, 10:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Analise Blondishness Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 590	I've got it! I forgot where this was discussed, I can't find the original mention, but anyway, somewhere someone was wondering how R2 could know how to find obi and whatnot if he had a memory wipe. Or something, for some reason it was suggested that he must've had one because he didn't remember being on tatooine. Grr, wish I could remember exactly what was said. ANYWAY. The point is, I'm staring at ANH right now and it's rather obvious, threepio doesn't remember because he probably did get wiped regularly (which is also why he doens't really have much personality). However, artoo somehow avoided said memory wipes, he remembers fine. I think he lies, LOL, but he remembers. That's how he knew to find the nearby settlements, remember when threepio asks "how do you know settlements are that way?". And how he knew where to go to find obi. And all that fun stuff. If this is stupid and redundant, ignore me.

30th August 2003, 03:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	yeah but unfortunatly he has made quite a few glaring ones:rolly2:

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17th August 2003, 02:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Maybe redundant, but not stupid. I think you've got it right. I honestly don't think Artoo has ever had a memory wipe. It's entirely possible that he's upgraded himself so his storage capacity for memory is greater than other R2 units of his generation. He's quite clever... for a droid, that is.

30th August 2003, 01:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
HeyLynny Explorer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New York Posts: 621	I just thought that Princess Leia told him when she gave him the mesage for Obi-Won.

30th August 2003, 02:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well later in the EU it is stated several times that R2 has never had his memory wiped:rolly2:

30th August 2003, 02:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Hmmm, plus, if you were R2, would you trust 3PO with any remotely important secret?

30th August 2003, 02:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	yeah i wouldnt either, but u also gotta wonder what made him avoid memory wipes in the first place?:rolly2:

30th August 2003, 03:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well u also have to remember that lucas wasnt thinking about the prequels when he wrote the original trilogly, so the lars didnt know R2 yet cuase he hadnt met them yet:rolly2:

30th August 2003, 03:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	HeyLynny: Told what to R2? And as for Owen and Beru recognizing 3PO or R2, remember that these are "just droids," so in the grand scheme of things, Owen and Beru have probably seen dozens of R2 units and at least several protocol droids. They didn't buy 3PO knowing his designation, and after twenty-plus years of surviving on Tattooine, probably wouldn't have remembered 3PO's anyway. All protocol droids have similar coverings, so 3PO isn't all that unique on the outside. It's his personality that made him so different... and the fact that he was a custom-made droid. And in general, all droids in the SW universe are memory-wiped from time to time, or they start developing quirks that the owners don't want to put up with. I think R2D2 has managed to avoid it by disguising his behavior. For some reason (and I'd like to see the story of his origins) he's able to predict human actions and either put himself in a position of being forgotten or he simply acts as the humans would want him to act, thus avoiding any detrimental memory wipes or other modification. Or maybe Padme issued an order before she went from Queen to Senator that this particular droid was never to be wiped as long as it served her and her family. Remember, he was still Leia's at the beginning of ANH, then Luke's, so he's always been in Padme's family's possession... for as long as we've known him, anyway.

2nd September 2003, 04:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
HeyLynny Explorer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New York Posts: 621	Told R2 how to find Obi-Won.

2nd September 2003, 12:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Ahhhh. Actually, I doubt that R2 ever knew exactly where Obi-Wan is. He's kind of in hiding, remember. He's not even using the name of Obi-Wan anymore. I think all Leia told him was whom to look for. It was up to R2 to figure out where to look. But I am sure that he remembers the younger Obi-Wan from many, many years earlier. Obviously, he didn't know what Obi-Wan looked like later because he was afraid of the old man when he finally appeared. He just remembered the name... and probably the name Skywalker, too.