Mistake in the first movie?

[ilweran]

Originally Posted by areader

Possibly the knives were dwarf made as Bilbo got it from Thorin and were different altogether. Its probably not so much an error as a common belief about them.

The two swords, Orcrist and Glamdring, and Sting were from the Trolls cave in the Hobbit and were made in Gondolin in the First Age. They were definitely made by elves.

Berens knife broke because he tried to get a second Silmaril and it wasn't his fate to get more than one of them.

[Carpe Diem]

Well i think that the reason only Sting glowed was the fact that they tryed to make it unique! Frodo had to have SOMETHING special about him, after all he was the guy who was to carry the ring, so he had the mithril shirt thing and Sting; the only sword that glowed.

[Sirathiel]

You people make me want to re-read... But that will have to wait till I get home.

I have to agree with Carpe Diem though. They word it nicely.

On the other hand, Gandalf is - to me - almost as important as Frodo. Where would they all be without him? And he is - by definition even - something rare and special. Well,... I'll be back with some quotes tonight.
~Sira.

PS: Wee... one of the threads I posted in back when!

[paranoid marvin]

In my opinion Gollum is the most important and influential character - I think JRR had plans for hm right from the start , as , with hindsight , it seems odd that such a strong and unusual character should play such a seemingly minor role in The Hobbit

[Gothic_Angelica]

I didn't think about it/didn't notice it.

[Sirathiel]

Well, I can't give you the actual quotes since I'm at work. But I am currently re-reading the books and can herewith confirm that it is mentioned in the chapter "A Journey in the dark" (or the one right after... not sure how far I got last night) that Gandalf's blade is Glamdring and that Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting all glow in a cold light in the presence of orcs.

Why they left it out of the film... no idea.

[pyan]

Originally Posted by paranoid marvin

In my opinion Gollum is the most important and influential character - I think JRR had plans for hm right from the start , as , with hindsight , it seems odd that such a strong and unusual character should play such a seemingly minor role in The Hobbit

It's because LOTR was written, in the main, after The Hobbit was published and widely read - and it would have been extremely difficult to boost Gollum's part in that book to match up to his importance in LOTR.

JRRT did do a major revision in the original story of The Hobbit to alter the story of how Bilbo got the Ring in the first place - for the second edition, he re-wrote Gollum to take out the idea that he would ever have offered to give Bilbo the Ring. This jibed with the hold that the Ring had on Gollum, so it was altered to emphasise the sheer power and importance of it which would be brought out in LOTR.