"The Matrix (Reloaded) Explained" - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Tabitha · 23rd June 2003, 11:09 PM

http://mysite.freeserve.com/betteroffdead/matrix.txt

I found the above site to be a vey informative and considered take on the Matrix storyline.

pkgrl · 24th June 2003, 12:18 PM

Thanks, Tab. I'll have to check that out... when I have time.

You think the theory is sound? Or are there still questions in your mind after you read it?

Spudnik · 24th June 2003, 06:21 PM

wow, tabitha, im impressed at the find, but im dissapointed at the content. i find much of it hard to believe.
but then the matrix itself is a concept that i also find hard to believe.

Tabitha · 24th June 2003, 06:51 PM

Well, what I like about the author's (of the above site) take is that she or he backs up all the conjectures with mostly sensible arguments.

I think he or she imagines that there is even more of a coherent link between the first film and the sequels than we might have imagined before, and drawing some of the nuggets from the first film out into sensible conclusions is pretty interesting.

The site also doesn't claim to be the be-all and end-all of Matrix explanations - I have noticed a few people and sites which claim to explain everything as if there could be no other solution - very annoying!

Give it a read.

pkgrl · 2nd July 2003, 01:38 AM

Okay, still reading it, but right now, I have to point out a flaw in the "Glitch" argument. The author does say that the Matrix is a physics exercise by machines and software, but seems to forget this when talking about Neo and his abilities within said Matrix. For instance, how can Neo fly at supersonic speeds and not fry off his gonads and still be able to breath? My answer: because he's inside the Matrix and since he's a thinking, creative human being, he's capable of telling himself (and believing) that "inside the Matrix, there is no spoon." In other words, there is no atmosphere with which he needs to interact. There is no air he needs to breath. There is no interferance between him and the ability to fly. Why don't people set up their entire arguement before they present it.

There are some great questions this author brings up, and I hope he answers at least some of them... especially the name stuff.

I love hearing more about that. For example, I didn't know about his Logos reference: "The rational projection of God." Hmmmmm.

seventhswami · 28th July 2003, 08:11 PM

Yeah this was pretty impressive. I caught a lot of the names and numerological references.... but I didn't notice that about the book and the AI disc... interesting stuff.

So far, the films (the animatrix included) have been breathtakingly perfect pieces of work, capturing the essential precepts of Quantum Physics, DMT and Altered States, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Programming, and the list goes on and on... The Wachowski brothers seem to have hit the same vein that Phillip K. Dick (a la Valis & Blade Runner) became obsessed with. I think the brothers are doing a service to this world by using a popular forum, like the silver screen, to introduce and re-introduce the complex theories to the gereral public.

As a student of consciousness/ physics, I tend to observe the physical references first... therefore the architect scene kept me up for nights after seeing it. My take, is that each of the screens in the Architect's room represents parallel universes... (or in the context of the movie, parallel matrices) That's why every screen showed Neo saying different things or reacting in different ways... The camera would zoom in on one screen... one decision... and then the movie would continue from there... I think this is a visual metaphor for the many-worlds theory. Like the famous Schroedinger's cat demonstration... the message here is that every possible reality exists at once. The act of deciding, or observing, determines what you experience. The architect said this to neo almost directly... telling him that the future of zion depended on HIS decision... just like Quantum Physics reveals... your expectations... your beliefs have the ability to shape the world, at an atomic level.

well anyway (I tend to ramble about these subjects

Neo exits the Matrix and then the ship crashes and the squiddies approacheth... and then Neo says something feels funny... and he begins to realize that he has the same level of control outside of the program... My hope is that, in Revolutions, they will take off and run with the parallel words idea... That Neo learns that the Martrix is actually a cascading "worlds within worlds" model... that Zion is another aspect of the Matrix... that there are infinate levels of reality... and eventually the reality of the Matrix itself falls under scrutiny. It's a relative existence after all... Perhaps in the end, they will learn that they are not "leaving" or "entering" the Matrix after all. Maybe they'll learn that they are merely "Tessering" to other planes of experience... in some, the machines rule the earth... in others... they never did. It's a vicious circle because if this turned out to be the ultimate truth, then they could simply opt to leave... to colonize new realities... in effect, TRANCENDING the matrix altogether...

Maybe they will learn that many explanations of what is going on can exist simultaneously without any of them being wrong... for that seems to be the ultimate nature of reality from an experential point of view...

~ Swami

seventhswami · 28th July 2003, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tabitha
The site also doesn't claim to be the be-all and end-all of Matrix explanations - I have noticed a few people and sites which claim to explain everything as if there could be no other solution - very annoying!

HAHAAA... JUST... LIKE... RELIGION!

The best metaphor is a metaphor OF a metaphor... A model of spirituality so perfect that some of the masses begin to worship the MODEL!

I tell ya, if I ever get to meet the Wachowskis, I'm buying 'em both a drink....

some interesting and related links:

Many-Worlds interpretation: http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/ManyWorlds.html
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmit...lds.html#expmw

the red pill?: http://www.deoxy.org/h_dmtess.htm

holographic universe:http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000AF072-4891-1F0A-97AE80A84189EEDF

extensive info on spiritual metaphor: http://www.unomaha.edu/~wwwjrf/gnostic.htm

~S

pkgrl · 30th July 2003, 05:09 AM

Hey, Swami! Thanks for the links and welcome to the bboard! :wave:

I'll have to check out those links later and let you know what I think. (As if I don't have enough to read regarding the Matrix.)

23rd June 2003, 11:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	"The Matrix (Reloaded) Explained" http://mysite.freeserve.com/betteroffdead/matrix.txt I found the above site to be a vey informative and considered take on the Matrix storyline.

28th July 2003, 08:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
seventhswami Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: planet earth Posts: 5	The Matrix as Metaphor Yeah this was pretty impressive. I caught a lot of the names and numerological references.... but I didn't notice that about the book and the AI disc... interesting stuff. So far, the films (the animatrix included) have been breathtakingly perfect pieces of work, capturing the essential precepts of Quantum Physics, DMT and Altered States, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Programming, and the list goes on and on... The Wachowski brothers seem to have hit the same vein that Phillip K. Dick (a la Valis & Blade Runner) became obsessed with. I think the brothers are doing a service to this world by using a popular forum, like the silver screen, to introduce and re-introduce the complex theories to the gereral public. As a student of consciousness/ physics, I tend to observe the physical references first... therefore the architect scene kept me up for nights after seeing it. My take, is that each of the screens in the Architect's room represents parallel universes... (or in the context of the movie, parallel matrices) That's why every screen showed Neo saying different things or reacting in different ways... The camera would zoom in on one screen... one decision... and then the movie would continue from there... I think this is a visual metaphor for the many-worlds theory. Like the famous Schroedinger's cat demonstration... the message here is that every possible reality exists at once. The act of deciding, or observing, determines what you experience. The architect said this to neo almost directly... telling him that the future of zion depended on HIS decision... just like Quantum Physics reveals... your expectations... your beliefs have the ability to shape the world, at an atomic level. well anyway (I tend to ramble about these subjects Neo exits the Matrix and then the ship crashes and the squiddies approacheth... and then Neo says something feels funny... and he begins to realize that he has the same level of control outside of the program... My hope is that, in Revolutions, they will take off and run with the parallel words idea... That Neo learns that the Martrix is actually a cascading "worlds within worlds" model... that Zion is another aspect of the Matrix... that there are infinate levels of reality... and eventually the reality of the Matrix itself falls under scrutiny. It's a relative existence after all... Perhaps in the end, they will learn that they are not "leaving" or "entering" the Matrix after all. Maybe they'll learn that they are merely "Tessering" to other planes of experience... in some, the machines rule the earth... in others... they never did. It's a vicious circle because if this turned out to be the ultimate truth, then they could simply opt to leave... to colonize new realities... in effect, TRANCENDING the matrix altogether... Maybe they will learn that many explanations of what is going on can exist simultaneously without any of them being wrong... for that seems to be the ultimate nature of reality from an experential point of view... ~ Swami

24th June 2003, 12:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Thanks, Tab. I'll have to check that out... when I have time. You think the theory is sound? Or are there still questions in your mind after you read it?

24th June 2003, 06:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	wow, tabitha, im impressed at the find, but im dissapointed at the content. i find much of it hard to believe. but then the matrix itself is a concept that i also find hard to believe.

24th June 2003, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Well, what I like about the author's (of the above site) take is that she or he backs up all the conjectures with mostly sensible arguments. I think he or she imagines that there is even more of a coherent link between the first film and the sequels than we might have imagined before, and drawing some of the nuggets from the first film out into sensible conclusions is pretty interesting. The site also doesn't claim to be the be-all and end-all of Matrix explanations - I have noticed a few people and sites which claim to explain everything as if there could be no other solution - very annoying! Give it a read.

2nd July 2003, 01:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Okay, still reading it, but right now, I have to point out a flaw in the "Glitch" argument. The author does say that the Matrix is a physics exercise by machines and software, but seems to forget this when talking about Neo and his abilities within said Matrix. For instance, how can Neo fly at supersonic speeds and not fry off his gonads and still be able to breath? My answer: *because* he's inside the Matrix and since he's a thinking, creative human being, he's capable of telling himself (and believing) that "inside the Matrix, there is no spoon." In other words, there is no atmosphere with which he needs to interact. There is no air he needs to breath. There is no interferance between him and the ability to fly. Why don't people set up their entire arguement before they present it. There are some great questions this author brings up, and I hope he answers at least some of them... especially the name stuff. I love hearing more about that. For example, I didn't know about his Logos reference: "The rational projection of God." Hmmmmm.

30th July 2003, 05:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Hey, Swami! Thanks for the links and welcome to the bboard! :wave: I'll have to check out those links later and let you know what I think. (As if I don't have enough to read regarding the Matrix.)