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timdgreat · 2nd August 2003, 06:59 AM

hmm decides to go back and re read this book after all the others he has lined up to make sure

:rolly2:

Highlander II · 5th August 2003, 02:52 AM

It was pretty good -

I mean - I just read all 5 of them w/in the last month -

The stories are great - the only thing I don't really like, is the 'info-dump' at the end of the books - I noticed it especially in Book 5 - when Dumbledore is telling Harry about the prophecy and such - there really isn't much build up to it - sure, Harry's having dreams and such and you know he's running toward this door and whatnot, but there's no 'subtext' for the prophecy -

(for timd - this is kinda why I like the Dresden books better - more continuity and build up)

I'm all for the big 'bad guy' fight at the end - it makes little sense for it to just jump out in the middle - but for "Mr. Exposition' to walk into the room at the end of the affair and explain everything - that's just boring - and kind of insults the reader - whether in 6th grade or well past retirement age -- JMHO of course - but I don't much like exposition for the sake of exposition -- if it's placed well, it doesn't look like exposition and it's fun to read (hit the Dresden books - they really are chock full of exposition, but it's done is such a way that you don't realize that you're 'learning' stuff while you're reading) ---

Really tho - I liked the story and the characters are interesting -- I'm just wondering if Voldemort is gonna be like Apophis on Stargate -- the bad guy that just won't go away -- he just keeps coming back just for hte sake of ppl being afraid of him -- b/c you can't tell me the only bad guy out there is Voldemort and he's the only one Harry will ever face --- not buying that one -- I'm too much of a skeptic!

So, yeah - it was pretty good --

timdgreat · 8th August 2003, 09:44 PM

well we know that hes most likely gonna be around till the last book(voldermort i mean) so in a way i guess he is kinda like apophis in that sense:rolly2:

Highlander II · 11th August 2003, 02:52 AM

*sigh*

See - where's the fun in that? If Harry's gotta face the same villain in each book - there's no surprise, nothing to look forward to.

Now, if in the next book, Voldemorte doesn't show up, then he shows up in book 7 - okay, different deal - but if V's gonna just pounce out of the shadows in each book covering Harry's journey through Hogwarts --- just one Urgo-ish thing to say to that - booooooooooooooooring.

I don't like things to be overly predictable. Good story or not, if I know how it's gonna end before I even start reading - it's almost not worth it. I'm picky, so sue me.

I like the books, don't get me wrong, but the same baddie each time? Not as exciting. Maybe it's just me.

timdgreat · 14th August 2003, 05:11 AM

well i hope thats not the case because i agree it wouldnt make the books that enjoyable, but i have some faith in Mrs Rowling, and i think she will pull through for us:rolly2:

Asmiley · 22nd August 2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Highlander II
*sigh*

See - where's the fun in that? If Harry's gotta face the same villain in each book - there's no surprise, nothing to look forward to.

Now, if in the next book, Voldemorte doesn't show up, then he shows up in book 7 - okay, different deal - but if V's gonna just pounce out of the shadows in each book covering Harry's journey through Hogwarts --- just one Urgo-ish thing to say to that - booooooooooooooooring.

I don't like things to be overly predictable. Good story or not, if I know how it's gonna end before I even start reading - it's almost not worth it. I'm picky, so sue me.

I like the books, don't get me wrong, but the same baddie each time? Not as exciting. Maybe it's just me.

Voldemort wasn't particularly in the third book. in fact he was barely mentioned. the dementors were the bad guys...
I think it might be one of the reasons it's my fave in the series.

timdgreat · 23rd August 2003, 06:34 PM

did we ever find out what thoose brain things where that attack ron?:rolly2:

Asmiley · 10th September 2003, 05:20 PM

tim this is a book four thread! not five! to answer your Q no we didn't.

Shaun · 11th September 2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Asmiley
tim this is a book four thread! not five! to answer your Q no we didn't.

Uh Asmiley, this is a fifth book thread not fourth.

I agree with H2, if Harry's nemesis in each book is just Voldemort or Voldermort related its going to be really boring. For 2 or 3 books it would be fine but not for 7. But I guess shes blown her chance for a non Voldemort book early in the series.

timdgreat · 11th September 2003, 09:59 PM

i disagree i think its perfectly possible that there are other bad guys out there that could be used, i mean we know so little of the magical world that harry lives in, so im guessing there are several other things that could evntually come after him:rolly2:

Shaun · 12th September 2003, 04:54 AM

I agree that there are other baddies out there that would want to face Harry, but with only two books left (I think) Rowling can't focus on them when she has to wrap up the Voldemort story now that he's finally out in the open and the main point of the series.

Asmiley · 12th September 2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun
Uh Asmiley, this is a fifth book thread not fourth.

Oops My bad. Sorry tim I read the title of the thread wrong.:blush:

*give time an extra HarryPotter shaped choccie bar*

Well the deatheaters make as interesting bad guys... I mean Lucious I could just kill becuase he's so rotten and well... you all read five.

Highlander II · 6th October 2003, 09:15 PM

been a while since I poked my nose into this section --

Personally - I don't think it's too late to add a new baddie *and* wrap up the Voldemort story --

1st - what the heck is left to do w/ Voldemort? Kill him? Yeah - haven't we tried that already? He just comes back - like Murdoch on MacGyver --

2nd - Volde can skip a book and come back in the 7th one -

3rd - who's to say that 7 is the last? Harry's not gonna stop being a wizard just b/c he grad's from Hogwarts - there's the whole rest of his life to work with - what's he gonna do? Is he gonna stay at Hogwarts as a member of the staff? Work for the ministry of magic? Open up some kind of magic shop? Will he get married? Have a family? Travel around the world? Play pro-Quidditch? There's so much he can do once he's done at Hogwarts - not to mention there are tons of other kids heading off to Hogwarts every year - wouldn't it be kinda fun to see Hogwarts through adult Harry's eyes? He could always take a couple years off, then return as a professor of some kind - or something - guest speaker, whatever - and could describe Hogwarts from that viewpoint -- like "Oh, would you look at all these kids? Were we ever that bad, Ron?" ---

Keep it within the spirit of the first 7 books, but continue with the rest of Harry's life -- he could live to be quite old, you know.

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timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	hmm decides to go back and re read this book after all the others he has lined up to make sure:rolly2:

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5th August 2003, 02:52 AM	#77 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,446	It was pretty good - I mean - I just read all 5 of them w/in the last month - The stories are great - the only thing I don't really like, is the 'info-dump' at the end of the books - I noticed it especially in Book 5 - when Dumbledore is telling Harry about the prophecy and such - there really isn't much build up to it - sure, Harry's having dreams and such and you know he's running toward this door and whatnot, but there's no 'subtext' for the prophecy - (for timd - this is kinda why I like the Dresden books better - more continuity and build up) I'm all for the big 'bad guy' fight at the end - it makes little sense for it to just jump out in the middle - but for "Mr. Exposition' to walk into the room at the end of the affair and explain everything - that's just boring - and kind of insults the reader - whether in 6th grade or well past retirement age -- JMHO of course - but I don't much like exposition for the sake of exposition -- if it's placed well, it doesn't look like exposition and it's fun to read (hit the Dresden books - they really are chock full of exposition, but it's done is such a way that you don't realize that you're 'learning' stuff while you're reading) --- Really tho - I liked the story and the characters are interesting -- I'm just wondering if Voldemort is gonna be like Apophis on Stargate -- the bad guy that just won't go away -- he just keeps coming back just for hte sake of ppl being afraid of him -- b/c you can't tell me the only bad guy out there is Voldemort and he's the only one Harry will ever face --- not buying that one -- I'm too much of a skeptic! So, yeah - it was pretty good --

8th August 2003, 09:44 PM	#78 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well we know that hes most likely gonna be around till the last book(voldermort i mean) so in a way i guess he is kinda like apophis in that sense:rolly2:

11th August 2003, 02:52 AM	#79 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,446	sigh See - where's the fun in that? If Harry's gotta face the same villain in each book - there's no surprise, nothing to look forward to. Now, if in the next book, Voldemorte doesn't show up, then he shows up in book 7 - okay, different deal - but if V's gonna just pounce out of the shadows in each book covering Harry's journey through Hogwarts --- just one Urgo-ish thing to say to that - booooooooooooooooring. I don't like things to be overly predictable. Good story or not, if I know how it's gonna end before I even start reading - it's almost not worth it. I'm picky, so sue me. I like the books, don't get me wrong, but the same baddie each time? Not as exciting. Maybe it's just me.

14th August 2003, 05:11 AM	#80 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well i hope thats not the case because i agree it wouldnt make the books that enjoyable, but i have some faith in Mrs Rowling, and i think she will pull through for us:rolly2:

23rd August 2003, 06:34 PM	#82 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	did we ever find out what thoose brain things where that attack ron?:rolly2:

10th September 2003, 05:20 PM	#83 (permalink)
Asmiley lost in Time Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,373	tim this is a book four thread! not five! to answer your Q no we didn't.

11th September 2003, 09:59 PM	#85 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	i disagree i think its perfectly possible that there are other bad guys out there that could be used, i mean we know so little of the magical world that harry lives in, so im guessing there are several other things that could evntually come after him:rolly2:

12th September 2003, 04:54 AM	#86 (permalink)
Shaun R.I.P. Ashes Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 1,798	I agree that there are other baddies out there that would want to face Harry, but with only two books left (I think) Rowling can't focus on them when she has to wrap up the Voldemort story now that he's finally out in the open and the main point of the series.

6th October 2003, 09:15 PM	#88 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,446	been a while since I poked my nose into this section -- Personally - I don't think it's too late to add a new baddie and wrap up the Voldemort story -- 1st - what the heck is left to do w/ Voldemort? Kill him? Yeah - haven't we tried that already? He just comes back - like Murdoch on MacGyver -- 2nd - Volde can skip a book and come back in the 7th one - 3rd - who's to say that 7 is the last? Harry's not gonna stop being a wizard just b/c he grad's from Hogwarts - there's the whole rest of his life to work with - what's he gonna do? Is he gonna stay at Hogwarts as a member of the staff? Work for the ministry of magic? Open up some kind of magic shop? Will he get married? Have a family? Travel around the world? Play pro-Quidditch? There's so much he can do once he's done at Hogwarts - not to mention there are tons of other kids heading off to Hogwarts every year - wouldn't it be kinda fun to see Hogwarts through adult Harry's eyes? He could always take a couple years off, then return as a professor of some kind - or something - guest speaker, whatever - and could describe Hogwarts from that viewpoint -- like "Oh, would you look at all these kids? Were we ever that bad, Ron?" --- Keep it within the spirit of the first 7 books, but continue with the rest of Harry's life -- he could live to be quite old, you know.