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pkgrl · 7th June 2003, 04:57 AM

I was thinking about other things today (other Matrix things, of course

) and I remembered something that I forgot to ask you guys about.

How in the world did Smith get into that hidden corridor at the end of Reloaded? Neo had to have the Key Maker, with the key he just finished making, in order to get there, and he was supposed to be there. There were no agents there, so they probably don't have access, but Smith, an exile, ex-Agent had no problem getting into that corridor. Remember, when he said, "...there are so many me's," more versions of him came in from every visible door, so his access had to be kind of universal. So how'd he get it? Who would have allowed it?

Tabitha · 7th June 2003, 02:36 PM

The way I see it, they needed the Keymaker to open one particular door in that corridor, not to get into the corridor itself.

Seraph and Persephone both took Neo into either the corridor, or a similar (invisible to the operator) area. I believe Smith must also have known how to gain access, but he was not able to chase Neo, the Keymaker and Morpheus through that door out of the corridor, the one door which they really needed the Keymaker for.

Make sense?

Spudnik · 7th June 2003, 06:07 PM

seraph and the keymaker both stated that the doors were encrypted in the tumblers.

i personally think it was a crack that smith had when he was an agent. he just found it in his bag of tools....so to speak.

cersei · 7th June 2003, 11:43 PM

Like after Neo died and is tranformed, Smith is the same which with help of a bit of code from Neo, he can now see the Matrix code and perhaps in even more eye-opening way than Neo since he is not constraint like his human nemesis. Thats my thought anyway

pkgrl · 8th June 2003, 04:46 PM

If Agents had the ability to access these areas, then why bother taking over other people? Okay, the latter might be easier sometimes, but why chase Neo all over creation? And why weren't there any Agents in that corridor to stop Neo and Morpheus? Why just Smith?

I think Smith got access from someone else. Who, I don't know. And I don't think it's just a matter of him having the ability because his program got overwritten with something from Neo.

timdgreat · 9th June 2003, 10:50 PM

well first pkgrl i would remind u that the machines want neo to get to the architect and there fore the source to start the whole process over again, so that i why i dont think there were any agents in the corridor, as for smith remember from something morpheus said in the first movie, the agents are "guarding all the doors and holding all the keys" so they most likely have access to the back doors, i think that smith most likely already knew how to get in to the corridors and just used this knowledge to get there ahead of neo

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Spudnik · 18th October 2003, 09:26 PM

hey wait, smith was taken to the source, and given the chice between exile and deletion.

he must have now known about the corridor. still how he got in/out is wierd.

pkgrl · 18th October 2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by timdgreat
morpheus said in the first movie, the agents are "guarding all the doors and holding all the keys" so they most likely have access to the back doors, i think that smith most likely already knew how to get in to the corridors and just used this knowledge to get there ahead of neo

comments:rolly2:

I don't think so. I don't think that Morpheus was talking about THESE doors... doors he didn't know existed... but the others inside the matrix. Remember that these doors, accessed from a corridor that is in a hidden area of the matrix, are not visible to operators like Link. And agents don't need to use these doors for access, they just pop into and out of human avatars. They don't need the doors.

Spud: I don't think that Smith was "taken to the source." I don't think he was given any choice about deletion either. From what he says in Reloaded, I get the impression that he knew he was supposed to allow himself to be deleted, but he chose not to allow that. He chose exile all by himself. He's "no longer a part of the system" as he says, and he's never been on his own before. His aspirations have grown along with his apparent freedom. He wants a new purpose... possibly Neo's purpose as he sees it... to control the matrix.

All that still doesn't answer the question of how Smith was able to gain access to the corridor. Maybe he has a key from some previous version of the matrix/One/Key Maker scenario. :alienooh:

timdgreat · 20th October 2003, 09:01 PM

the following may contain spoilers for the matrix Revolutions read at ur own risk

Ok so i think its possible taht mabye smith got the key from some other program? i mean why not, the merovingian had access to keys that opened doors to other places, and so did seraph, so i dont see why smith couldnt get there by taking over some one who had a key to the corridor or access to it, or just hack his way in, cause its not like he had just one key he had about 20, otherwise how did so many of him get in.:rolly2:

Spudnik · 20th October 2003, 09:55 PM

yer got a point.

he DID lern how to copy and paste.

timdgreat · 20th October 2003, 09:59 PM

lol well i dont think it was as easy and just clicking a mouse spudnik

:rolly2:

pkgrl · 26th October 2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by timdgreat
the following may contain spoilers for the matrix Revolutions read at ur own risk

Ok so i think its possible taht mabye smith got the key from some other program? i mean why not, the merovingian had access to keys that opened doors to other places, and so did seraph, so i dont see why smith couldnt get there by taking over some one who had a key to the corridor or access to it, or just hack his way in, cause its not like he had just one key he had about 20, otherwise how did so many of him get in.:rolly2:

Good point! He may just have. I mean, what if he over wrote Seraph? The implications of that would be major! But there are several programs, apparently, that do have keys to that access corridor. And based on the Revolutions trailer, Smith seems to be over writing programs and avatars exponentially. The Matrix seems to be full of Smiths and no one else.

timdgreat · 27th October 2003, 08:40 PM

yeah smiths everywhere, i dont think that seraph was overwritten though, because we see him fighting in revolutions, so i doubt he has been taken over yet, but only time will tell:rolly2:

Spudnik · 28th October 2003, 03:32 AM

maybe the "final fight" really is the last shots of the movie...

and those included on the sidewalk comprise the whole of humanity...

timdgreat · 30th October 2003, 05:51 PM

mabye, if so i wonder if they are gonna be free at the end of the movie:rolly2:

7th June 2003, 04:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	How did Smith gain access? I was thinking about other things today (other Matrix things, of course ) and I remembered something that I forgot to ask you guys about. How in the world did Smith get into that hidden corridor at the end of Reloaded? Neo had to have the Key Maker, with the key he just finished making, in order to get there, and he was supposed to be there. There were no agents there, so they probably don't have access, but Smith, an exile, ex-Agent had no problem getting into that corridor. Remember, when he said, "...there are so many me's," more versions of him came in from every visible door, so his access had to be kind of universal. So how'd he get it? Who would have allowed it?

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7th June 2003, 02:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	The way I see it, they needed the Keymaker to open one particular door in that corridor, not to get into the corridor itself. Seraph and Persephone both took Neo into either the corridor, or a similar (invisible to the operator) area. I believe Smith must also have known how to gain access, but he was not able to chase Neo, the Keymaker and Morpheus through that door out of the corridor, the one door which they really needed the Keymaker for. Make sense?

7th June 2003, 06:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	seraph and the keymaker both stated that the doors were encrypted in the tumblers. i personally think it was a crack that smith had when he was an agent. he just found it in his bag of tools....so to speak.

7th June 2003, 11:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
cersei Matriculated Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 126	Like after Neo died and is tranformed, Smith is the same which with help of a bit of code from Neo, he can now see the Matrix code and perhaps in even more eye-opening way than Neo since he is not constraint like his human nemesis. Thats my thought anyway

8th June 2003, 04:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	If Agents had the ability to access these areas, then why bother taking over other people? Okay, the latter might be easier sometimes, but why chase Neo all over creation? And why weren't there any Agents in that corridor to stop Neo and Morpheus? Why just Smith? I think Smith got access from someone else. Who, I don't know. And I don't think it's just a matter of him having the ability because his program got overwritten with something from Neo.

9th June 2003, 10:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well first pkgrl i would remind u that the machines want neo to get to the architect and there fore the source to start the whole process over again, so that i why i dont think there were any agents in the corridor, as for smith remember from something morpheus said in the first movie, the agents are "guarding all the doors and holding all the keys" so they most likely have access to the back doors, i think that smith most likely already knew how to get in to the corridors and just used this knowledge to get there ahead of neo comments:rolly2:

18th October 2003, 09:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	hey wait, smith was taken to the source, and given the chice between exile and deletion. he must have now known about the corridor. still how he got in/out is wierd.

20th October 2003, 09:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	the following may contain spoilers for the matrix Revolutions read at ur own risk Ok so i think its possible taht mabye smith got the key from some other program? i mean why not, the merovingian had access to keys that opened doors to other places, and so did seraph, so i dont see why smith couldnt get there by taking over some one who had a key to the corridor or access to it, or just hack his way in, cause its not like he had just one key he had about 20, otherwise how did so many of him get in.:rolly2:

20th October 2003, 09:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	yer got a point. he DID lern how to copy and paste.

20th October 2003, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	lol well i dont think it was as easy and just clicking a mouse spudnik :rolly2:

27th October 2003, 08:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	yeah smiths everywhere, i dont think that seraph was overwritten though, because we see him fighting in revolutions, so i doubt he has been taken over yet, but only time will tell:rolly2:

28th October 2003, 03:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
Spudnik Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 149	maybe the "final fight" really is the last shots of the movie... and those included on the sidewalk comprise the whole of humanity...

30th October 2003, 05:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	mabye, if so i wonder if they are gonna be free at the end of the movie:rolly2: