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tatter · 7th January 2004, 03:47 PM

originally posted by pamie:

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I wonder if this means if she will have more relationships in future episodes.

well i just got done watching on squinty vision. looks like this epi is a set up for chimeria when sam gets a boyfriend. otherwise how would they have her getting a guy while she's got a thing for jack...although they might not be killing off the whole shipper thing because heroes airs after chimeria and orginallly it was slated to air first.

Jay Jay · 7th January 2004, 09:33 PM

All in all, not a bad episode. Think I was expecting abit more excitement though.

I agree that I think they were tying up the loose ends of the Sam and Jack thing!

Will probably read ahead myself. Like to know what's happening.

J

skydiver · 8th January 2004, 01:46 AM

this was one of those really subtle eps, and if you haven't watched the show for a while, you probably won't get it.

the boys all appear to her and all of them represent a different part of her

teal'c is her warrior side, her paranoia, the part that expects the worse and thinks in tactics

daniel is her scholarly side. the part that will stay up all night studying something, the part that finds gas fascinating

jack is her confidence, a steadying presence, a protector and motivator

jacob is her regrets, her doubts. her acknowledging that he no longer expects her to follow in his footsteps to succeed. he's that little bit of doubt inside her that knows that she's missing something

grace is sam...that inner child that longs to blow bubbles or skip down the halls...but that inner child that she denies and buries under duty

the whole thing is about duty vs desire, what you want to do vs what you need or have to do...all with the metaphore/foreshadowing that time is running out

character development and friendship abounds...but if you're looking for action, better tune in next week.

to me this is one that needs to be watched a time or ten to get all the nuances

Nick 0208 Ldn · 8th January 2004, 04:58 AM

skydiver, :agree: i agree with you, this personality representation plot has been done many times over the years and of course not just in Sg1.

I don't know whether you would have to have been watching the show for ong to get it but every person to his/her own.

I think i might have been watching long enough though, when was Sg1 first aired on British TV, hmm, carry the one....well it was a few years ago now anyway.

All of this said from what i've been able to find out 7.13 will have quite an impact on the remaining episodes or some of them, either that i shall change some of my sources, some were a bit vague

tatter · 9th January 2004, 07:26 PM

well i for one am looking forward to all the fanfic this should bring forth.:rolly2:

lene morissette · 11th January 2004, 02:25 PM

Wow I don't think I've posted here for over a year! Neways I agree with skydiver's summary completely and I liked 'Grace'. Up until I read that I was kind of thinking of it like that but didn't quite know how to put it into words. It sounds more hopeful than the other way of looking at it. (i.e. from a shippy perspective, closing the door etc.) I was also looking forward to the fanfic it was bound to generate however I have yet to find any at all!

skydiver · 12th January 2004, 02:36 AM

well, since the brits and the downloaders are teh only ones that have seen it, fic may take a couple of weeks until the states get it

skoon · 12th January 2004, 09:31 PM

I really liked this one & thought it a good insight? into Sam, something that we all knew but they never confirmed. I think I liked it so much because I swear that all the shippy bits, the whole Jacob bits & Teal'c talking to Jack, & the Sam & Jack bits were all taken directly out of fanfics I've read. Anyhoo, I'm satisfied as a shipper. Let Black widow Sam move on for a while

we know She & Jack are meant to be one fine day. As Jack said, 'hey I'm a safe guy' & 'I'll always be there for you'... ok let's get on to an action ep :rolly2:

beckmen · 17th January 2004, 07:47 PM

Pretty good episode. I'm not a shipper, so I wasn't freaking out over the shippy stuff, but I guess I didn't really mind it. The episode is nothing special, but it's WAAAY better than the stinkers we got this year the likes of Lifeboat and Revisions.

beckmen · 21st January 2004, 04:29 AM

Watched this episode again. I have three thoughts.

I liked how Sam's relationship with Jack was played out and how repressed she was about it. Notice that she imagined kissing him, but didn't. It was a strings-free thing, she could have had sex with him then and there and nobody would have known, but she restrained herself. I think that's an interesting little charecter thing. She knows there's no way she can be with him, so she is trying to put it out of her mind and move on.

I am thinking about the ship we saw. Whose is it? Way back when first details of this episode came out we heard that were were going to see more of the race's ship we saw in Enemies. But we never learned anything about them in this episode. Could it be the Furlings? Maybe. The Wraiths? Doubtful, since they are supposed to be really far away like in 8-Chevron terrartory. I think it makes most sense to say that they are the Furlings. Maybe the crew of the Promo were brought on board their ship not as captives, but to save them. They were all prolly adrift in the gas cloud and would die, so the Furlings transported them aboard, but then reliezed they were stuck as well just sat around until Sam contaced them. Of course, why would an un-hostile race attack the ship? Well, it's been speculated on other forums that they thought they were Goa'uld, but when they found out they weren't they were already both stuck in the cloud. The ship DID scan the promo before attacking, they could have detected Goa'uld components and acted too soon. Another thing: The transport effect looked differant than the Asgard's, but made the same noise (at least the one in Shades of Grey). Perhaps because it's tech from the Universal-NATO thing we have been hearing about since Torment of Tantulas? Just speculation.

OK, the SGC REALLY needs to stick a Stargate in the Prometheus. They only need find one on one of the many planets that doesn't use them, build a little embarkation room on the ship and install the gate. Then if something went wrong, they could take orbit in a nearby planet, calculate that planet's gate coordinates and gate home. Sort of a new take on the escape pod. Hey, Apophis did it in TSL.

DragonBaby · 24th January 2004, 02:33 PM

Liked this ep. When I heard it was going to be Sam alone on the ship I thought "well how they gonna do that?"
Was a great insight into sam and her emotions. Sadly it did throw up a lot of unanswered questions about the alien ship etc, and why they were stopping by a gas cloud when they needed to get the ship home. I sit just me or do they seem to be throwing in a lot of unanswered stuff this season? Before storylines seemed to finish, even to the point of that annoying explanation conversation by 2 characters at the end of an ep, just in case some viewers didnt get it. Now there are legitamate questions but no answers.

skoon · 29th January 2004, 11:05 PM

perhaps they're setting us up for the movie?

PrincessG · 26th February 2004, 03:02 PM

What a yawnfest! 44 minutes of Sam hallucinating about fantasizing about kissing Jack, with a couple of minutes of some guest star's Shatner impression thrown in.

Pointless AND dull - a doubleheader!

7th January 2004, 09:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jay Jay I'm a Lambrini Girl Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 168	All in all, not a bad episode. Think I was expecting abit more excitement though. I agree that I think they were tying up the loose ends of the Sam and Jack thing! Will probably read ahead myself. Like to know what's happening. J

8th January 2004, 01:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	this was one of those really subtle eps, and if you haven't watched the show for a while, you probably won't get it. the boys all appear to her and all of them represent a different part of her teal'c is her warrior side, her paranoia, the part that expects the worse and thinks in tactics daniel is her scholarly side. the part that will stay up all night studying something, the part that finds gas fascinating jack is her confidence, a steadying presence, a protector and motivator jacob is her regrets, her doubts. her acknowledging that he no longer expects her to follow in his footsteps to succeed. he's that little bit of doubt inside her that knows that she's missing something grace is sam...that inner child that longs to blow bubbles or skip down the halls...but that inner child that she denies and buries under duty the whole thing is about duty vs desire, what you want to do vs what you need or have to do...all with the metaphore/foreshadowing that time is running out character development and friendship abounds...but if you're looking for action, better tune in next week. to me this is one that needs to be watched a time or ten to get all the nuances

8th January 2004, 04:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
Nick 0208 Ldn J/T Shipper Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greater London Posts: 57	skydiver, :agree: i agree with you, this personality representation plot has been done many times over the years and of course not just in Sg1. I don't know whether you would have to have been watching the show for ong to get it but every person to his/her own. I think i might have been watching long enough though, when was Sg1 first aired on British TV, hmm, carry the one....well it was a few years ago now anyway. All of this said from what i've been able to find out 7.13 will have quite an impact on the remaining episodes or some of them, either that i shall change some of my sources, some were a bit vague

9th January 2004, 07:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
tatter Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 669	well i for one am looking forward to all the fanfic this should bring forth.:rolly2:

11th January 2004, 02:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
lene morissette I'm BACK!!!! Yay! Hiya! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I live in Manchester, England Posts: 309	Wow I don't think I've posted here for over a year! Neways I agree with skydiver's summary completely and I liked 'Grace'. Up until I read that I was kind of thinking of it like that but didn't quite know how to put it into words. It sounds more hopeful than the other way of looking at it. (i.e. from a shippy perspective, closing the door etc.) I was also looking forward to the fanfic it was bound to generate however I have yet to find any at all!

12th January 2004, 02:36 AM	#22 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	well, since the brits and the downloaders are teh only ones that have seen it, fic may take a couple of weeks until the states get it

12th January 2004, 09:31 PM	#23 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	I really liked this one & thought it a good insight? into Sam, something that we all knew but they never confirmed. I think I liked it so much because I swear that all the shippy bits, the whole Jacob bits & Teal'c talking to Jack, & the Sam & Jack bits were all taken directly out of fanfics I've read. Anyhoo, I'm satisfied as a shipper. Let Black widow Sam move on for a while we know She & Jack are meant to be one fine day. As Jack said, 'hey I'm a safe guy' & 'I'll always be there for you'... ok let's get on to an action ep :rolly2:

17th January 2004, 07:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	Pretty good episode. I'm not a shipper, so I wasn't freaking out over the shippy stuff, but I guess I didn't really mind it. The episode is nothing special, but it's WAAAY better than the stinkers we got this year the likes of Lifeboat and Revisions.

21st January 2004, 04:29 AM	#25 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	Watched this episode again. I have three thoughts. I liked how Sam's relationship with Jack was played out and how repressed she was about it. Notice that she imagined kissing him, but didn't. It was a strings-free thing, she could have had sex with him then and there and nobody would have known, but she restrained herself. I think that's an interesting little charecter thing. She knows there's no way she can be with him, so she is trying to put it out of her mind and move on. I am thinking about the ship we saw. Whose is it? Way back when first details of this episode came out we heard that were were going to see more of the race's ship we saw in Enemies. But we never learned anything about them in this episode. Could it be the Furlings? Maybe. The Wraiths? Doubtful, since they are supposed to be really far away like in 8-Chevron terrartory. I think it makes most sense to say that they are the Furlings. Maybe the crew of the Promo were brought on board their ship not as captives, but to save them. They were all prolly adrift in the gas cloud and would die, so the Furlings transported them aboard, but then reliezed they were stuck as well just sat around until Sam contaced them. Of course, why would an un-hostile race attack the ship? Well, it's been speculated on other forums that they thought they were Goa'uld, but when they found out they weren't they were already both stuck in the cloud. The ship DID scan the promo before attacking, they could have detected Goa'uld components and acted too soon. Another thing: The transport effect looked differant than the Asgard's, but made the same noise (at least the one in Shades of Grey). Perhaps because it's tech from the Universal-NATO thing we have been hearing about since Torment of Tantulas? Just speculation. OK, the SGC REALLY needs to stick a Stargate in the Prometheus. They only need find one on one of the many planets that doesn't use them, build a little embarkation room on the ship and install the gate. Then if something went wrong, they could take orbit in a nearby planet, calculate that planet's gate coordinates and gate home. Sort of a new take on the escape pod. Hey, Apophis did it in TSL.

24th January 2004, 02:33 PM	#26 (permalink)
DragonBaby Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: England Posts: 127	Liked this ep. When I heard it was going to be Sam alone on the ship I thought "well how they gonna do that?" Was a great insight into sam and her emotions. Sadly it did throw up a lot of unanswered questions about the alien ship etc, and why they were stopping by a gas cloud when they needed to get the ship home. I sit just me or do they seem to be throwing in a lot of unanswered stuff this season? Before storylines seemed to finish, even to the point of that annoying explanation conversation by 2 characters at the end of an ep, just in case some viewers didnt get it. Now there are legitamate questions but no answers.

29th January 2004, 11:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	perhaps they're setting us up for the movie?

26th February 2004, 03:02 PM	#28 (permalink)
PrincessG Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 21	What a yawnfest! 44 minutes of Sam hallucinating about fantasizing about kissing Jack, with a couple of minutes of some guest star's Shatner impression thrown in. Pointless AND dull - a doubleheader!