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Tabitha · 27th May 2003, 02:42 AM

Hey, just thought I would start a wee thread to air our thoughts on what was wrong with this sequel, what didn't quite work, what didn't look real, or just what didn't feel right.

Bearing in mind that many of the plot confusions will probably get cleared up come November, I still have some quibbles.
I like to think of myself as quite an intelligent moviegoer, 20+ years of formal education and not being confused by Mission: Impossible (

) lead me to this conclusion. And yet there were parts of this movie I just couldn't follow. There were whole swathes of the Architect's monolgue that I would like to rewind and listen to again and again, as although I heard the words I wasn't quite sure what he meant. Likewise the whole Persephone/Meringon (Sp?) mini-arc. It isn't really very well explained who those two are. They have rogue programs working for them, but are they rogues too? When Persephone says that M used to be like Neo, does she really mean that? He used to be a one? Or just really hot?

And speaking of Persephone, the whole scene with the kiss was just lame. I mean really. I was Trinity, I would have just shot her, and damn the consequences - doesn't Morpheus keep saying that everything happens because that is the way it was meant to be. I love Monica Bellucci, and would liked to have seen more of her though, hopefully we will in the third film.

Reeves' acting in this film was pretty disappointing. In the original film, you can't deny that he pulled off shell-shocked and out-of-his-depth pretty well, but here he just seemed emotionless. I also don't think this script was too easy on the ears.

Now this one prolly sounds stupid, but I found the score to be very repetitive, and the foley stuff at times to be a bit ridiculous - case in point: during the "Burly Brawl" Neo throws one smith into a bunch of others, and I kid you not, the sound effect is straight out of a ten pin bowling alley. I know Neo can control the physical attributes of the Matrix, but really

As I said in another thread in here, at times I found the CGI to be a bit distracting, as if they wanted to take wire-fu and bullet time up to 11, so to speak. Watching the original film, the martial arts scenes almost look slow in comparison, but speed them up, and you lose something. Everything was happening so fast I didn't get to really savour the fights. (what's that? I'm a violent freak? not really)

Ok, this turned into a bit more of a rant than I meant, and I promise to start a "Glass-half-full" thread tonight or tomorrow.

cersei · 27th May 2003, 10:09 PM

I think overall the CGI moments were too obviously CGI...hence the not so realistic feel to the movie...

All the actual fights in The Matrix you can feel the sweat and pain (who does not winch when Morpheus' head hits and breaks the toiler, depsite repeated viewings?)...for me, the only 2 good fights in Reloaded was in car between Morpheus and Twin in that confined space...and at end between Trinity and Agent which at least u can sense some of the impact and Trinity's increasing desperation...

All that being said, Reloaded is a intellectual clever film that uses its action to hide that from the Hollywood Exec (Joel "there is no bar - please shut me up" Silver included) and typical MTV movie goer

Tabitha · 28th May 2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by cersei
(Joel "there is no bar - please shut me up" Silver included)

Gakk, if I hear him spout that line one more time I am going to just bug out!!!! I know it isn't actually IN the film, but that is another of my Reloaded-related pet hates!

ray gower · 9th November 2003, 11:57 PM

I think for bad- High up in the stakes comes all the dancing that is supposed to be martial arts fighting- Much rather watch Bruce Lee for my Kung Fu or any number of other badly dubbed Chinese films for their fantasy fight scenes. A no win situation

It is a terrible diversion from the over-complicated plot!

As was all the bonking going on.

As for the Architect, what he was saying was simple enough, even through the double speak. Destroy the Matrix and it will rebuild itself- sans the rebels. Don't destroy the Matrix and the rebels will be destroyed- Trinity first.

27th May 2003, 02:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Matrix Reloaded: The Bad... Hey, just thought I would start a wee thread to air our thoughts on what was wrong with this sequel, what didn't quite work, what didn't look real, or just what didn't feel right. Bearing in mind that many of the plot confusions will probably get cleared up come November, I still have some quibbles. I like to think of myself as quite an intelligent moviegoer, 20+ years of formal education and not being confused by Mission: Impossible ( ) lead me to this conclusion. And yet there were parts of this movie I just couldn't follow. There were whole swathes of the Architect's monolgue that I would like to rewind and listen to again and again, as although I heard the words I wasn't quite sure what he meant. Likewise the whole Persephone/Meringon (Sp?) mini-arc. It isn't really very well explained who those two are. They have rogue programs working for them, but are they rogues too? When Persephone says that M used to be like Neo, does she really mean that? He used to be a one? Or just really hot? And speaking of Persephone, the whole scene with the kiss was just lame. I mean really. I was Trinity, I would have just shot her, and damn the consequences - doesn't Morpheus keep saying that everything happens because that is the way it was meant to be. I love Monica Bellucci, and would liked to have seen more of her though, hopefully we will in the third film. Reeves' acting in this film was pretty disappointing. In the original film, you can't deny that he pulled off shell-shocked and out-of-his-depth pretty well, but here he just seemed emotionless. I also don't think this script was too easy on the ears. Now this one prolly sounds stupid, but I found the score to be very repetitive, and the foley stuff at times to be a bit ridiculous - case in point: during the "Burly Brawl" Neo throws one smith into a bunch of others, and I kid you not, the sound effect is straight out of a ten pin bowling alley. I know Neo can control the physical attributes of the Matrix, but really As I said in another thread in here, at times I found the CGI to be a bit distracting, as if they wanted to take wire-fu and bullet time up to 11, so to speak. Watching the original film, the martial arts scenes almost look slow in comparison, but speed them up, and you lose something. Everything was happening so fast I didn't get to really savour the fights. (what's that? I'm a violent freak? not really) Ok, this turned into a bit more of a rant than I meant, and I promise to start a "Glass-half-full" thread tonight or tomorrow.

27th May 2003, 10:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
cersei Matriculated Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 126	CGI too well, CGI-ish :) I think overall the CGI moments were too obviously CGI...hence the not so realistic feel to the movie... All the actual fights in The Matrix you can feel the sweat and pain (who does not winch when Morpheus' head hits and breaks the toiler, depsite repeated viewings?)...for me, the only 2 good fights in Reloaded was in car between Morpheus and Twin in that confined space...and at end between Trinity and Agent which at least u can sense some of the impact and Trinity's increasing desperation... All that being said, Reloaded is a intellectual clever film that uses its action to hide that from the Hollywood Exec (Joel "there is no bar - please shut me up" Silver included) and typical MTV movie goer

9th November 2003, 11:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,582	I think for bad- High up in the stakes comes all the dancing that is supposed to be martial arts fighting- Much rather watch Bruce Lee for my Kung Fu or any number of other badly dubbed Chinese films for their fantasy fight scenes. A no win situation It is a terrible diversion from the over-complicated plot! As was all the bonking going on. As for the Architect, what he was saying was simple enough, even through the double speak. Destroy the Matrix and it will rebuild itself- sans the rebels. Don't destroy the Matrix and the rebels will be destroyed- Trinity first.