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skydiver · 20th July 2003, 10:43 PM

LOL @ Anni

Oh yes, very shatner-esque. (now isn't that a mark of fame, to have your acting style be named after you)

Janet was great, and believe it or not, teal'c actually had a line or two.

I found the father's performance enthralling, amost hypnotic to watch...like smeagol and golem without the cgi.

There was a bit of a sam/teal'c scene and yes, jack was noticibly lite. I'm thinking they taped this the same time they did revisions, daniel and janet off while jack and teal'c were off and sam was with pallen.

Plotwise....somewhat predictible. the second we saw the flashback to the kid my friend was 'it's the dad'

all in all, not one i'm gonna rewind the tape for...then again i have yet to rewind the tape on any of the eps this season save fragile balance

beckmen · 21st July 2003, 12:49 AM

This was another disapointing episode, I am really missing Jack and his levity. Also, MS was too over the top and campy, and WTF they just glazed over the obvious moral dilemma of killing off all those people. In earlier seasons that would be a major plot point!

I liked Teal'c in this, his few lines were pretty funny and that breif interaction with Jack in the observation room was a nice reminder of how things used to be before RDA decided to ruin our lives.

Lonewolf89 · 21st July 2003, 02:53 AM

Stargate has a habit of recycling old plots. A lot of episodes center around some alien taking over, inhabiting, or controlling one or all of the team members' minds. This was no exception.

Also, once the crew decides what the actor's forte is, they seem to focus on that. RDA gets to be in the lime light in episodes involving kids as a rule. MS gets all the 'going crazy' eps. Christopher gets the family conflict episodes. Amanda tends to lead the episodes where the team meets technologically advanced races.

This episode did have some good points, despite questionable plot. Dr. Fraiser got some screen time, the actor who played the dad gave an excellent performance, and although MS was a little over the top, he didn't do too badly either.

I agree about Jack. I have a problem believing he would just sit on the side lines, orders or not, while Daniel's in trouble.

Teal'C was good, the scene between him and Jack in the observation room was good. I would have liked to see him do something more though.

RDA has been doing this for almost seven years. I can understand why he wants a little time off. I'm glad he didn't leave the show, even though were are seeing less of him. It's good to know he's still dedicated to keeping Stargate alive.

mankyskanky · 21st July 2003, 09:09 PM

I thought this episode was okay-ish. TR was really good in it. It was nice to see her get the spotlight for a change. MS began to annoy me about 10 minutes into the episode. His accents are always awful (*thinks back the dreadful german accent in '1969'*).

RDA absence is alot more noticable than I though it would be. I found myself watching every scene and thinking, "Why isn't Jack here".

They're going to have to come up with soooo many excuses throughout this season to eplain why he isn't on missions, or hanging around on the base. It'll be quite funny to see what they coem up with.

Gatecon · 23rd July 2003, 04:02 PM

Honestly, not being a MS fan, I was quite surprised with this episode. I really thought it was one of his best performances yet. I think the year off did him well.

skoon · 23rd July 2003, 07:02 PM

I though it was a good ep. I've decided not to look to far into episodes & enjoy them instead. Really laughed at the point when Janet had the 'boy' in her lap & then the 'Sovereigh' or whomever came about...

Didn't understand the part about the boy being with his father again. Wasn't he suppost to croke? or was he & the rest 'downloaded into the father?

Lonewolf89 · 23rd July 2003, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by skoon
Didn't understand the part about the boy being with his father again. Wasn't he suppost to croke? or was he & the rest 'downloaded into the father?

I was confused there too. He was downloaded into his Father. I thought he was supposed to die. At least they kept acting like he was supposed to. Then in the next scene he's being downloaded into someone else.

skoon · 23rd July 2003, 11:07 PM

I thought the father couldn't take on any other person so maybe they downloaded Danny's people into himself & then they all died...hence the bit about sacraficing life but 'being together'...???

but then why didn't they just choose one of their other people to take on all the people then all their people would be saved but 2 of them would be like 30 people...

imported_Pixie · 25th July 2003, 02:03 AM

I'm just gonna put my two cence in here and agree with gategeek and a few others. For the first time the whole season, RDA's was noticably absent. Just him sitting in that control room 'watching' was so very 'un' Jack. Jack is a do man.. and if he wasn't allowed in to the isolation room to help Danny that way, he woulda been out in the field, trying to help him that way. I have never known any other instance when Jack just sat and watched one of his friends suffer without trying to do everything in his power to help them.

I'm a major Jack fan, and there for respecting his decision to back down a bit, and for the most part the writers were doing very well... but if it forces them to make Jack out of character, then they shouldn't bother.. because it's less fun this way then it would be if he said he was going fishing for the weekend and didn't show up at all......

Falcon Horus · 28th July 2003, 11:18 PM

I think this episode wasn't so bad!!

When Jack dared Teal'c to say his thing again and Teal'c actually started saying it again, that was just hilarious. And I also liked it when the young boy surfaced. MS performed as if he really was just a six-year-old kiddo. I think he was so cute at that point. TR was really kicking ass as Dr. Fraiser!! Oh man, don't want to meet her in times like that.

I'm gonna watch it again in a minute or so and I think that will make my opinion better or maybe I realize that it wasn't what I expected it to be.

Ciao

Colonel, sir! · 16th October 2003, 07:23 PM

:dead:

However I liked the whole Daniel/Smeagol/Gollum split persona thing. I usually enjoy the Daniel talky ones, Holiday is a good example, but this was an little over the top with the yak yak yak.

Rowan · 16th October 2003, 11:57 PM

They did try to tie Jack into the episode by 'placing' him in the ob. room overlooking isolation - a fair attempt to cover up a 'Jack-Lite' episode. I think they did it a bit better in this ep than in some, but there were so many opportunities for good solid Jack-Daniel friendship moments, but, agan, I think some good stuff was left on the floor in editing.

I enjoyed MS' work with the MPD-ish characters. I enjoyed 'Keenaan', especially after having a chance to see the 'younger' version interacting with his father on the ship. I though Michael captured the facial expression and the eyes well. I would imagine it's hard to come up with a multiple load of 'different people' and make them believable when that 'person' may only have a couple of moments of screen time. It doesn't give you a lot of time to build a back-story for each one.

The episode left me hoping that, somehow, the 'people' now sharing one mind would be able to be saved somehow, in the end. Especially father and son.

One of the better eps. this season, IMHO.

Rowan

beckmen · 17th October 2003, 12:46 PM

I watched this again becuase I didn't have a copy on tape without commericials. Man, this is prolly the WORST_EPISODE_EVER!!! It's like one big 42-minute joke! Did MS and PDL get drunk and agreed to some odd bet like "I bet you can't make a horrible episode that is a through-back to 70s over-acting and childish directing". I could have acted better than MS. All of the personalities were totally cliche and juvenile, the pilot guy was the best becuase it wasn't over-acting perse, but he still had the fake accent. The kid and the sovrein were both classic cases of BAD over-acting that make classic 70s Shatner look like Oscar-worthy performances. The guest-star guy was like 10 times better acting-wise than MS in this! PDL chose to shoot this episode with the tilto-cam, skewing everything like a little kid would do if he got ahold of a camera. The only good thing I can think of in this ep was the "Electroencephelogram" gag. More proof that season 7 is several notches below the other seasons of this great show.

I would have liked to see all of SG-1 have this DPD thing going on. Having them ALL dealing with it, and all four having equal screen time without bad directing could have made a GREAT episode. It could have been comparable to Holiday. Also, would have been much easier on all of the actors since they'd really only have to come up with one or two new personalities. Also, seeing there OWN personalities would have worked great to show contrast. This episode is just wasted potential. It could have even been good with the same plot of DJ only having the personalities, if they had ditched the over-acting, had DJ actaully able to talk (he would have been the first to refuse ditching all these poor souls, especially since they might die, this would make for good, classic DJ personality/charecter arc!) and had SG-1 interacting with DJ and his other personlities. I guess they were trying to free up people's schedules by introducing the BS "Medical personell only" ****, but this would not have been the case in the past 6 seasons!

beckmen · 17th October 2003, 12:49 PM

We can't say the C-word, not the bad C-world but the alternate-for-feces C-word, Wow, that is strict! I have heard that on like TV-Y7 cartoons and stuff!

Rowan · 17th October 2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by beckmen
We can't say the C-word, not the bad C-world but the alternate-for-feces C-word, Wow, that is strict! I have heard that on like TV-Y7 cartoons and stuff!

beckman, I haven't got a clue where you're going with this last post.

Rowan

16th October 2003, 11:57 PM	#27 (permalink)
Rowan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the wilds of Puget Sound. Near Seth and Cascade, WA. Posts: 2,480	Some good, some bad. They did try to tie Jack into the episode by 'placing' him in the ob. room overlooking isolation - a fair attempt to cover up a 'Jack-Lite' episode. I think they did it a bit better in this ep than in some, but there were so many opportunities for good solid Jack-Daniel friendship moments, but, agan, I think some good stuff was left on the floor in editing. I enjoyed MS' work with the MPD-ish characters. I enjoyed 'Keenaan', especially after having a chance to see the 'younger' version interacting with his father on the ship. I though Michael captured the facial expression and the eyes well. I would imagine it's hard to come up with a multiple load of 'different people' and make them believable when that 'person' may only have a couple of moments of screen time. It doesn't give you a lot of time to build a back-story for each one. The episode left me hoping that, somehow, the 'people' now sharing one mind would be able to be saved somehow, in the end. Especially father and son. One of the better eps. this season, IMHO. Rowan

20th July 2003, 10:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	LOL @ Anni Oh yes, very shatner-esque. (now isn't that a mark of fame, to have your acting style be named after you) Janet was great, and believe it or not, teal'c actually had a line or two. I found the father's performance enthralling, amost hypnotic to watch...like smeagol and golem without the cgi. There was a bit of a sam/teal'c scene and yes, jack was noticibly lite. I'm thinking they taped this the same time they did revisions, daniel and janet off while jack and teal'c were off and sam was with pallen. Plotwise....somewhat predictible. the second we saw the flashback to the kid my friend was 'it's the dad' all in all, not one i'm gonna rewind the tape for...then again i have yet to rewind the tape on any of the eps this season save fragile balance

21st July 2003, 12:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	This was another disapointing episode, I am really missing Jack and his levity. Also, MS was too over the top and campy, and WTF they just glazed over the obvious moral dilemma of killing off all those people. In earlier seasons that would be a major plot point! I liked Teal'c in this, his few lines were pretty funny and that breif interaction with Jack in the observation room was a nice reminder of how things used to be before RDA decided to ruin our lives.

21st July 2003, 02:53 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lonewolf89 Fear is the mind killer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Flatplanet Cafe Posts: 1,608	Stargate has a habit of recycling old plots. A lot of episodes center around some alien taking over, inhabiting, or controlling one or all of the team members' minds. This was no exception. Also, once the crew decides what the actor's forte is, they seem to focus on that. RDA gets to be in the lime light in episodes involving kids as a rule. MS gets all the 'going crazy' eps. Christopher gets the family conflict episodes. Amanda tends to lead the episodes where the team meets technologically advanced races. This episode did have some good points, despite questionable plot. Dr. Fraiser got some screen time, the actor who played the dad gave an excellent performance, and although MS was a little over the top, he didn't do too badly either. I agree about Jack. I have a problem believing he would just sit on the side lines, orders or not, while Daniel's in trouble. Teal'C was good, the scene between him and Jack in the observation room was good. I would have liked to see him do something more though. RDA has been doing this for almost seven years. I can understand why he wants a little time off. I'm glad he didn't leave the show, even though were are seeing less of him. It's good to know he's still dedicated to keeping Stargate alive.

21st July 2003, 09:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
mankyskanky Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7	I thought this episode was okay-ish. TR was really good in it. It was nice to see her get the spotlight for a change. MS began to annoy me about 10 minutes into the episode. His accents are always awful (thinks back the dreadful german accent in '1969'). RDA absence is alot more noticable than I though it would be. I found myself watching every scene and thinking, "Why isn't Jack here". They're going to have to come up with soooo many excuses throughout this season to eplain why he isn't on missions, or hanging around on the base. It'll be quite funny to see what they coem up with.

23rd July 2003, 04:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
Gatecon www.gatecon.com Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 1,104	Honestly, not being a MS fan, I was quite surprised with this episode. I really thought it was one of his best performances yet. I think the year off did him well.

23rd July 2003, 07:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	I though it was a good ep. I've decided not to look to far into episodes & enjoy them instead. Really laughed at the point when Janet had the 'boy' in her lap & then the 'Sovereigh' or whomever came about... Didn't understand the part about the boy being with his father again. Wasn't he suppost to croke? or was he & the rest 'downloaded into the father?

23rd July 2003, 11:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	I thought the father couldn't take on any other person so maybe they downloaded Danny's people into himself & then they all died...hence the bit about sacraficing life but 'being together'...??? but then why didn't they just choose one of their other people to take on all the people then all their people would be saved but 2 of them would be like 30 people...

25th July 2003, 02:03 AM	#24 (permalink)
imported_Pixie Mistress of Gitwyia Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane - Australia!! Posts: 4	I'm just gonna put my two cence in here and agree with gategeek and a few others. For the first time the whole season, RDA's was noticably absent. Just him sitting in that control room 'watching' was so very 'un' Jack. Jack is a do man.. and if he wasn't allowed in to the isolation room to help Danny that way, he woulda been out in the field, trying to help him that way. I have never known any other instance when Jack just sat and watched one of his friends suffer without trying to do everything in his power to help them. I'm a major Jack fan, and there for respecting his decision to back down a bit, and for the most part the writers were doing very well... but if it forces them to make Jack out of character, then they shouldn't bother.. because it's less fun this way then it would be if he said he was going fishing for the weekend and didn't show up at all......

28th July 2003, 11:18 PM	#25 (permalink)
Falcon Horus Keeper of the Gate Join Date: May 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 668	I think this episode wasn't so bad!! When Jack dared Teal'c to say his thing again and Teal'c actually started saying it again, that was just hilarious. And I also liked it when the young boy surfaced. MS performed as if he really was just a six-year-old kiddo. I think he was so cute at that point. TR was really kicking ass as Dr. Fraiser!! Oh man, don't want to meet her in times like that. I'm gonna watch it again in a minute or so and I think that will make my opinion better or maybe I realize that it wasn't what I expected it to be. Ciao

16th October 2003, 07:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
Colonel, sir! Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 17	:dead: However I liked the whole Daniel/Smeagol/Gollum split persona thing. I usually enjoy the Daniel talky ones, Holiday is a good example, but this was an little over the top with the yak yak yak.

17th October 2003, 12:46 PM	#28 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	I watched this again becuase I didn't have a copy on tape without commericials. Man, this is prolly the WORST_EPISODE_EVER!!! It's like one big 42-minute joke! Did MS and PDL get drunk and agreed to some odd bet like "I bet you can't make a horrible episode that is a through-back to 70s over-acting and childish directing". I could have acted better than MS. All of the personalities were totally cliche and juvenile, the pilot guy was the best becuase it wasn't over-acting perse, but he still had the fake accent. The kid and the sovrein were both classic cases of BAD over-acting that make classic 70s Shatner look like Oscar-worthy performances. The guest-star guy was like 10 times better acting-wise than MS in this! PDL chose to shoot this episode with the tilto-cam, skewing everything like a little kid would do if he got ahold of a camera. The only good thing I can think of in this ep was the "Electroencephelogram" gag. More proof that season 7 is several notches below the other seasons of this great show. I would have liked to see all of SG-1 have this DPD thing going on. Having them ALL dealing with it, and all four having equal screen time without bad directing could have made a GREAT episode. It could have been comparable to Holiday. Also, would have been much easier on all of the actors since they'd really only have to come up with one or two new personalities. Also, seeing there OWN personalities would have worked great to show contrast. This episode is just wasted potential. It could have even been good with the same plot of DJ only having the personalities, if they had ditched the over-acting, had DJ actaully able to talk (he would have been the first to refuse ditching all these poor souls, especially since they might die, this would make for good, classic DJ personality/charecter arc!) and had SG-1 interacting with DJ and his other personlities. I guess they were trying to free up people's schedules by introducing the BS "Medical personell only" ****, but this would not have been the case in the past 6 seasons!

17th October 2003, 12:49 PM	#29 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	We can't say the C-word, not the bad C-world but the alternate-for-feces C-word, Wow, that is strict! I have heard that on like TV-Y7 cartoons and stuff!