7.03: Fragile Balance - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Arc_Angel · 22nd January 2003, 10:56 AM

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Gateworld has spoilers for this ep here:

http://www.gateworld.net/news/episod...2864208,30460,

Arc_Angel · 8th May 2003, 03:35 PM

Gateworld has exclusive piccies up on their site which you MUST see, including a funny posed one done by Micheal Shanks, Amanda Tapping, and Chris Judge

Go there .......NOW!!!

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http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/703.shtml

Rowan · 16th June 2003, 04:01 AM

Spoilers for this episode can be found here:
"Fragile Balance" .

My thanks to Sg-1 Solutions for the link.

Rowan

Lonewolf89 · 21st June 2003, 03:09 AM

This episode was great! I was skeptical about it at first, but everything was pulled off well.

The actor they got to play Jack's younger self was perfect! He really got all of the timing and characteristics down. The script was was pretty good in this ep, too.

I loved the real Jack's line in the end there, "Go forth young man," or something to that effect. I was laughing my head off.

beckmen · 21st June 2003, 03:14 AM

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I liked this episode. A lot of good Jackisms (although RDA isn't in it untill the final 10 mins) and a lot of humor. The part where Jack tried to ge into the F-303 breifing was great. I liked that they FINALLY explained alien abductions, and I liked that they had it be a rogue within the Asgard community, since a lot of abductees report horrible things, and SG-1 couldn't just brush that off. The whole thing was explained pretty good. The kid who played Jack was also very good. He got down his mannerisms and stuff hands-down. It was also good to see Jackson back in full form.

What I did NOT like was the ending. The stupid song and putting Mini-Jack in High School??? I thought they would put him off-world or something! Like he could have become an Asgard consultant or they could have solved his celluar degneration problem the same way they did with Charlie in "Show and Tell" (although he wouldn't have gone for it...maybe they could have talked him into it). I just think putting him in High School and having him stay on Earth was cheesy and not very practical. If there is a season 8 though, I'd like to see him return for an ep.

Lonewolf89 · 21st June 2003, 04:08 AM

I'd definitely like to see him return. The scenes between clone Jack and original Jack were great.

Having him go to high school was a little disappointing. I would have preferred if he had been given a decent role in the SGC or some other brach of the government. After all, two Jack O'Neills is better than one.

ShelbyS · 21st June 2003, 03:47 PM

Mmmmmm, two Jack O'Neills. Imagine the fun....

*bad shelby, bad shelby*

Raptor · 21st June 2003, 06:02 PM

Yeah, and now it's okay for you to lust after him because he's not twice your age...

Raptor

shen · 21st June 2003, 08:32 PM

It was a great eps. Really loved it.

Sending the young Jack back to high school is the only logical thing to do. Since he is still 15 years old.

Sending him to another alien world would not help or sticking him in the airforce...because he is still 15 years old. Doesn't matter if he has all that knowledge...

The line where young jack said something like..."this is where you and me are different" which has indicated the writers has thought about the idea letting him joining the SD-C...but where against it at the end...

I don't know if anyone has thought about this....but i think it provides a possibility where in the future...maybe 10-15 years where they can bring back Jack and start another stargate series

something like stargate: the next generation

beckmen · 21st June 2003, 11:07 PM

He can't survive in High School...he is a cynical adult. The school will think he has all kinds of mental disorders. And let's not forget the alcohalism. He tried to score beer the entire episode, he's obviously in need of AA. Mini-Jack is going to end up a burnt-out street bum, ranting about aliens and the fact that he is a 45-year old stuck in a 15-year old's body..

If he was off-world it wouldn't matter as much. If he was with the Tok'Ra, he could continue the fight. Remember his Tin Man? Mini-Jack will prolly try something like that, and the Air Force should know. Jack should know.

Lonewolf89 · 22nd June 2003, 02:37 AM

I agree with beckmen. Just because he looks 15 doesn't mean he is. He has all of Jack's memories and experiences stored in his brain, he's not some kid 'from the MTV generation'.

Rowan · 22nd June 2003, 05:52 AM

Okay... we have a 40-something year old man in a 15 year old body with all the memories, behaviours, etc of said 40 year old. And what does the end of the episode show us? Him checking out 15 year old girls.

I have a bit of a problem with that becasue I like to think Jack is enough of an officer and a gentleman - no matter how he may act out at times - to not 'chase underage tail', if I may put it that way.

The show has now put me in a quandry. What's this 40/15 year old gonna do in High School? Other than some of the stuff new to this generation, he already knows most of what they're going to teach and has a level of 'significant life experiences' 'way beyond anything the 'kids' have. In many ways, he's now gonna mimic a lot of the rpoblems Daniel had: a 'way too smart kid in amound those not as smart. His is just from a different reason.

I thought for awhile last night what I would do if it happened to me. The first through my mind would have been for the Air Force to tuck me off to college somewhere: either civ or the academy. yeah... it might be nice to be around my own age group ... for about an hour, but after that, frankly my interests are no longer theirs and I'd go nuts. I'd *need* the mental stimulation of the older environment.

I'm sorry, but I can see 'Mini-Jack' surviving this situation for more than a week before the he and the Air Force come to a new 'agreement' and he's outta there.

Just My Opinion - Your Milage May Vary.

Rowan

skydiver · 22nd June 2003, 06:03 PM

it is odd. i mean look at his frustration in the beginning at not being taken seriously. and jack is not the kind of man to just sit back and let things happen, he'll try to help or do things...and he won't be taken seriously because of his physical appearance/age.

it's gonna drive him nuts.

Jobeth · 22nd June 2003, 08:22 PM

I loved 99% of this ep; even the beer scenes didn't bother me, as they were played for comic relief and I can understand why Jack, after such a traumatic experience, would want a cold brewski.

I loved MiniJack; the young actor was perfect, and I'd like to see more of him. I loved the Daniel-Teal'c exchange: "Name one" "Well, the time he got really old, the time he turned into a caveman, the time we all swapped bodies".

However, I have to agree with the posters who didn't like the last scene. I agree that MiniJack wouldn't last too long in high school, subject to the restrictions of a schoolboy.

I also didn't like the implication that now he was going to date 14-15 year old girls. He may look 15 but he's not, and the thought of MiniJack chasing after girls who are both completely inexperienced and too young to get birth control on their own creeped me out a bit. It would be different if he were 19-20 and going off to college again, meeting women old enough to vote.

Anyway, aside from that it was a very enjoyable episode, with all the team members getting to play a part.

beckmen · 23rd June 2003, 01:11 AM

Well, I think for a lot of people 15-year-olds are taboo. If I was transferred into a 15-year-old body I'd be "chasing tail" and not have any problem with it (although I am only 21 now). Maybe I am a sicko.

Anyway, I don think they should have put him in college becuase they would have had to say he is a genius to get over the age issue, and although Jack is not stupid, he's not exactly gifted either (I'd say his IQ is 110-120, slightly above average). They could have forged documents that he is an emancipated senoir and put him into High School. Becuase another problem is that he doesn't have any parants, or a house or anything, and DCFS would catch on quick. The Air Force could circumvent that by setting him up on his own with a little pension and stuff.

22nd January 2003, 10:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
Arc_Angel Mr. Flibble is very cross Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,861	Fragile Balance Spoilers (for the s6 changling too!) . . . . Gateworld has spoilers for this ep here: http://www.gateworld.net/news/episod...2864208,30460,

16th June 2003, 04:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rowan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the wilds of Puget Sound. Near Seth and Cascade, WA. Posts: 2,433	7.03: Fragile Balance Spoilers for this episode can be found here: "Fragile Balance" . My thanks to Sg-1 Solutions for the link. Rowan

22nd June 2003, 05:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
Rowan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the wilds of Puget Sound. Near Seth and Cascade, WA. Posts: 2,433	A bit of a squick... Okay... we have a 40-something year old man in a 15 year old body with all the memories, behaviours, etc of said 40 year old. And what does the end of the episode show us? Him checking out 15 year old girls. I have a bit of a problem with that becasue I like to think Jack is enough of an officer and a gentleman - no matter how he may act out at times - to not 'chase underage tail', if I may put it that way. The show has now put me in a quandry. What's this 40/15 year old gonna do in High School? Other than some of the stuff new to this generation, he already knows most of what they're going to teach and has a level of 'significant life experiences' 'way beyond anything the 'kids' have. In many ways, he's now gonna mimic a lot of the rpoblems Daniel had: a 'way too smart kid in amound those not as smart. His is just from a different reason. I thought for awhile last night what I would do if it happened to me. The first through my mind would have been for the Air Force to tuck me off to college somewhere: either civ or the academy. yeah... it might be nice to be around my own age group ... for about an hour, but after that, frankly my interests are no longer theirs and I'd go nuts. I'd need the mental stimulation of the older environment. I'm sorry, but I can see 'Mini-Jack' surviving this situation for more than a week before the he and the Air Force come to a new 'agreement' and he's outta there. Just My Opinion - Your Milage May Vary. Rowan

8th May 2003, 03:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Arc_Angel Mr. Flibble is very cross Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,861	Gateworld has exclusive piccies up on their site which you MUST see, including a funny posed one done by Micheal Shanks, Amanda Tapping, and Chris Judge Go there .......NOW!!! :lol: http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/703.shtml

21st June 2003, 03:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lonewolf89 Fear is the mind killer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Flatplanet Cafe Posts: 1,605	This episode was great! I was skeptical about it at first, but everything was pulled off well. The actor they got to play Jack's younger self was perfect! He really got all of the timing and characteristics down. The script was was pretty good in this ep, too. I loved the real Jack's line in the end there, "Go forth young man," or something to that effect. I was laughing my head off.

21st June 2003, 03:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	SPOILERS - - - - - - - - - - - I liked this episode. A lot of good Jackisms (although RDA isn't in it untill the final 10 mins) and a lot of humor. The part where Jack tried to ge into the F-303 breifing was great. I liked that they FINALLY explained alien abductions, and I liked that they had it be a rogue within the Asgard community, since a lot of abductees report horrible things, and SG-1 couldn't just brush that off. The whole thing was explained pretty good. The kid who played Jack was also very good. He got down his mannerisms and stuff hands-down. It was also good to see Jackson back in full form. What I did NOT like was the ending. The stupid song and putting Mini-Jack in High School??? I thought they would put him off-world or something! Like he could have become an Asgard consultant or they could have solved his celluar degneration problem the same way they did with Charlie in "Show and Tell" (although he wouldn't have gone for it...maybe they could have talked him into it). I just think putting him in High School and having him stay on Earth was cheesy and not very practical. If there is a season 8 though, I'd like to see him return for an ep.

21st June 2003, 04:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lonewolf89 Fear is the mind killer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Flatplanet Cafe Posts: 1,605	I'd definitely like to see him return. The scenes between clone Jack and original Jack were great. Having him go to high school was a little disappointing. I would have preferred if he had been given a decent role in the SGC or some other brach of the government. After all, two Jack O'Neills is better than one.

21st June 2003, 03:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
ShelbyS Rob Cooper's #1 Fan Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,565	Mmmmmm, two Jack O'Neills. Imagine the fun.... bad shelby, bad shelby

21st June 2003, 06:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Raptor A pain in the Mikta Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Bairnsdale, Vic Posts: 680	Yeah, and now it's okay for you to lust after him because he's not twice your age... Raptor

21st June 2003, 08:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
shen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 46	It was a great eps. Really loved it. Sending the young Jack back to high school is the only logical thing to do. Since he is still 15 years old. Sending him to another alien world would not help or sticking him in the airforce...because he is still 15 years old. Doesn't matter if he has all that knowledge... The line where young jack said something like..."this is where you and me are different" which has indicated the writers has thought about the idea letting him joining the SD-C...but where against it at the end... I don't know if anyone has thought about this....but i think it provides a possibility where in the future...maybe 10-15 years where they can bring back Jack and start another stargate series something like stargate: the next generation

21st June 2003, 11:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	He can't survive in High School...he is a cynical adult. The school will think he has all kinds of mental disorders. And let's not forget the alcohalism. He tried to score beer the entire episode, he's obviously in need of AA. Mini-Jack is going to end up a burnt-out street bum, ranting about aliens and the fact that he is a 45-year old stuck in a 15-year old's body.. If he was off-world it wouldn't matter as much. If he was with the Tok'Ra, he could continue the fight. Remember his Tin Man? Mini-Jack will prolly try something like that, and the Air Force should know. Jack should know.

22nd June 2003, 02:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lonewolf89 Fear is the mind killer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Flatplanet Cafe Posts: 1,605	I agree with beckmen. Just because he looks 15 doesn't mean he is. He has all of Jack's memories and experiences stored in his brain, he's not some kid 'from the MTV generation'.

22nd June 2003, 06:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,844	it is odd. i mean look at his frustration in the beginning at not being taken seriously. and jack is not the kind of man to just sit back and let things happen, he'll try to help or do things...and he won't be taken seriously because of his physical appearance/age. it's gonna drive him nuts.

22nd June 2003, 08:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jobeth Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charm City Posts: 236	I loved 99% of this ep; even the beer scenes didn't bother me, as they were played for comic relief and I can understand why Jack, after such a traumatic experience, would want a cold brewski. I loved MiniJack; the young actor was perfect, and I'd like to see more of him. I loved the Daniel-Teal'c exchange: "Name one" "Well, the time he got really old, the time he turned into a caveman, the time we all swapped bodies". However, I have to agree with the posters who didn't like the last scene. I agree that MiniJack wouldn't last too long in high school, subject to the restrictions of a schoolboy. I also didn't like the implication that now he was going to date 14-15 year old girls. He may look 15 but he's not, and the thought of MiniJack chasing after girls who are both completely inexperienced and too young to get birth control on their own creeped me out a bit. It would be different if he were 19-20 and going off to college again, meeting women old enough to vote. Anyway, aside from that it was a very enjoyable episode, with all the team members getting to play a part.

23rd June 2003, 01:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
beckmen First Prime of Burgstrom Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fredonia, NY Posts: 275	Well, I think for a lot of people 15-year-olds are taboo. If I was transferred into a 15-year-old body I'd be "chasing tail" and not have any problem with it (although I am only 21 now). Maybe I am a sicko. Anyway, I don think they should have put him in college becuase they would have had to say he is a genius to get over the age issue, and although Jack is not stupid, he's not exactly gifted either (I'd say his IQ is 110-120, slightly above average). They could have forged documents that he is an emancipated senoir and put him into High School. Becuase another problem is that he doesn't have any parants, or a house or anything, and DCFS would catch on quick. The Air Force could circumvent that by setting him up on his own with a little pension and stuff.