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Vampyre · 26th November 2003, 03:53 PM

I've had a thought about the whole CPR thing. Vampires are dead death cannot bring about life; only more death. Therefore maybe CPR isn't possible, because they only breathe death - which would make smoking possible.

As for the Dru thing, this a long stretch and I think Ob will be able to tell me if it's possible, but with enough strength would it be possible to knock someone out by severing the brain's connection to the body?

As for Spike drowning...well I suppose if they'd played with his mind enough...then anything's possible. Also I thought the Ubervamp could have been squeezing his neck really hard...

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roadster · 26th November 2003, 05:49 PM

I think it had to be a goof by the writers for 3 reasons

1) CPR is simply supplying air to lungs that are not fuctioning. You could do it with a bicycle pump if you had to...a;though it would be difficult it can be done.

2) severing the connections between the brain and the body is as good as decapitation, which I believe is one way to kill a vamp. thus it would have killed Dru not just knocked her out.

3) no way, no how can you drown a vamp. and I don't believe
Spike would get freaked out by someone putting his head under water...except to rip their head off when he got up

Highlander II · 26th November 2003, 09:05 PM

That last one - that's what we've been saying - and it's what prompted this good ole jaunt down medical lane...

So - are we in agreement that Joss and co goofed on this one? as in, they weren't consistent with things?

I think they could have skipped over this issue altogether by not drying to torture Spike by shoving his head under water... it would have, then, not violated S1 canon...

This was fun...

Vampyre · 30th November 2003, 09:54 PM

Yep...a definite goof...

But I don't agree that severing the brain-body connection would kill a vamp, full decapitation would be needed.

markpud · 4th December 2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Vampyre
Yep...a definite goof...

But I don't agree that severing the brain-body connection would kill a vamp, full decapitation would be needed.

Outside of the initiative, I don't think anyone would be inclined to try and sever a vamp's brain connections rather than simply decapitating them....

little smaug · 5th December 2003, 09:55 AM

Better late than never, so here's my thoughts.

1)Haven't got a clue about the CPR thing.

2)I think it would be the spinal column that would have to be severed for a vamp to dust. But if you cut off the blood supply to the brain by applying pressure to the carotid artery, it would cause the person to pass out. Perhaps that's why Dru passed out.

3)Spike underwater is probably another goof. The only possible explanation i can think of is:
Spike gets his head shoved under the water, and some water goes down his windpipe. Everybody has an instinctive fear of drowning, so he panicks, hence all the thrashing. Not sure about him being unconcious tho. Can vampires faint?

Anyway, i don't think we're gonna find any plausible explanations. We may just have to accept that maybe Joss isn't all-powerful.

markpud · 5th December 2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by little smaug

Anyway, i don't think we're gonna find any plausible explanations. We may just have to accept that maybe Joss isn't all-powerful.

Take that back!!!

little smaug · 6th December 2003, 01:33 PM

You're right, pay no attention to me, i'm talking crazy. Joss is God!

markpud · 9th December 2003, 03:55 PM

Much better, now just remember "Big Brother is watching!"

Vampyre · 13th December 2003, 11:07 PM

2)I think it would be the spinal column that would have to be severed for a vamp to dust. But if you cut off the blood supply to the brain by applying pressure to the carotid artery, it would cause the person to pass out. Perhaps that's why Dru passed out.

I don't agree, I think it has to be complete decapitation otherwise Buffy would have used that to her advantage. As for Dru, vampires have no heart beat, therefore no blood flow...(Or so I assume.)

P.S

JOSS IS GOD

26th November 2003, 03:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
Vampyre The Big Bad. Join Date: May 2001 Location: ENGLAND! Posts: 2,369	I've had a thought about the whole CPR thing. Vampires are dead death cannot bring about life; only more death. Therefore maybe CPR isn't possible, because they only breathe death - which would make smoking possible. As for the Dru thing, this a long stretch and I think Ob will be able to tell me if it's possible, but with enough strength would it be possible to knock someone out by severing the brain's connection to the body? As for Spike drowning...well I suppose if they'd played with his mind enough...then anything's possible. Also I thought the Ubervamp could have been squeezing his neck really hard....

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26th November 2003, 05:49 PM	#32 (permalink)
roadster Thalion Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rhode Island,USA Posts: 72	I think it had to be a goof by the writers for 3 reasons 1) CPR is simply supplying air to lungs that are not fuctioning. You could do it with a bicycle pump if you had to...a;though it would be difficult it can be done. 2) severing the connections between the brain and the body is as good as decapitation, which I believe is one way to kill a vamp. thus it would have killed Dru not just knocked her out. 3) no way, no how can you drown a vamp. and I don't believe Spike would get freaked out by someone putting his head under water...except to rip their head off when he got up

26th November 2003, 09:05 PM	#33 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,456	That last one - that's what we've been saying - and it's what prompted this good ole jaunt down medical lane... So - are we in agreement that Joss and co goofed on this one? as in, they weren't consistent with things? I think they could have skipped over this issue altogether by not drying to torture Spike by shoving his head under water... it would have, then, not violated S1 canon... This was fun...

30th November 2003, 09:54 PM	#34 (permalink)
Vampyre The Big Bad. Join Date: May 2001 Location: ENGLAND! Posts: 2,369	Yep...a definite goof... But I don't agree that severing the brain-body connection would kill a vamp, full decapitation would be needed.

5th December 2003, 09:55 AM	#36 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,343	Better late than never, so here's my thoughts. 1)Haven't got a clue about the CPR thing. 2)I think it would be the spinal column that would have to be severed for a vamp to dust. But if you cut off the blood supply to the brain by applying pressure to the carotid artery, it would cause the person to pass out. Perhaps that's why Dru passed out. 3)Spike underwater is probably another goof. The only possible explanation i can think of is: Spike gets his head shoved under the water, and some water goes down his windpipe. Everybody has an instinctive fear of drowning, so he panicks, hence all the thrashing. Not sure about him being unconcious tho. Can vampires faint? Anyway, i don't think we're gonna find any plausible explanations. We may just have to accept that maybe Joss isn't all-powerful.

6th December 2003, 01:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,343	You're right, pay no attention to me, i'm talking crazy. Joss is God!

9th December 2003, 03:55 PM	#39 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	Much better, now just remember "Big Brother is watching!"

13th December 2003, 11:07 PM	#40 (permalink)
Vampyre The Big Bad. Join Date: May 2001 Location: ENGLAND! Posts: 2,369	2)I think it would be the spinal column that would have to be severed for a vamp to dust. But if you cut off the blood supply to the brain by applying pressure to the carotid artery, it would cause the person to pass out. Perhaps that's why Dru passed out. I don't agree, I think it has to be complete decapitation otherwise Buffy would have used that to her advantage. As for Dru, vampires have no heart beat, therefore no blood flow...(Or so I assume.) P.S JOSS IS GOD