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timdgreat · 7th January 2003, 02:49 AM

i saw it lets see 3 times in the first 24 hours it was great, i saw the midnight showing, a 11am showing, and a 4pm showing, only leaving the theater for some sleep between the first and seconed times i saw it

:rolly2: :rolly2: i sat in the back of a really big theater with stadium seating, it was awesome, i only fell asleep once, in the third show and that was during sams speach at Osgiliath, (were they werent even supposed to be

)

I LOVED IT

im gonna go see it again soon:rolly2: :rolly2:

pkgrl · 7th January 2003, 12:36 PM

Well, Jay Jay, I agree with Ray Gower about the books. I read The Hobbit after I'd read LotR twice and it makes some of the references in FotR more understandable, like you're being let in on a private joke, but it's not critical.

And ALWAYS ask people near the middle or back of the theater to move over before you settle on the front. I HATE the front row... even in the theaters with stadium seating, it sucks.

Gotta make plans to see TTT again... maybe this weekend. I still think I missed stuff.

Jay Jay · 7th January 2003, 09:45 PM

Thanks pkgrl.

I was speaking to my dad about borrowing his books about 30 mins ago. He also gave me 2 Tolkien introductory books, you know, let you know words, characters etc. He's going to look out his books for me and let me 'borrow' them.

I also totally agree with you about the pictures, but my sis was having none of it.

I was asking about spaces at a nice distance, but off she went, so followed me.

Cant wait till it comes out on DVD now. Does anyone know when?

J

pkgrl · 8th January 2003, 12:24 AM

I don't know, but based on FotR's release, I'd guess August again with an extended version before the holiday season. We've got time... lots of it.

Personally, I'm looking forward to see if they make a presence at the comic con again this year. That'll be in July. If I get any news then, I'll post it here... along with any awesome pics I might take.

timdgreat · 17th January 2003, 10:57 PM

hehe i just saw it for the 4th time with one of my freinds. we counted 72 glaring problems with the film that were not from the book.

and no i dont hate TTT now, in fact i still love it

, but it still has problems

webmouse · 18th January 2003, 10:06 PM

Hi, Tim -- why do you characterize the differences as "glaring problems" ? The film holds internal consistency and follows well from the previous film.

There is no requirement on Peter Jackson to be "faithful" to the books, much as Tolkien fans may want or expect it. The film must also appeal to those who have never read the books. It must stand on its own, as a film, and as such cannot in every detail follow the text.

Also, we don't know what was left on the cutting room floor, although I suspect we'll see some of that on the eventual DVD

timdgreat · 18th January 2003, 11:44 PM

i think that they are glaring problems, mostly cause i was nitpicking,and i know that we have to keep up consistnecy, and make things understandable for the people who didnt read the books i was just saying

webmouse · 19th January 2003, 12:45 AM

Ah, but keep in mind that one person's nitpick isn't necessarily anyone else's "glaring problem."

A "glaring problem" in TTT is that Pippin is tied up, but his hands are free as the horse rears over him, then later it is explained how his hands were freed. Not sure the sequence works quite right.

Or in FOTR when Aragorn throws the apple that hits Pippin in the head, as Pippin leans over to pick up the apple his other hand rises into the frame revealing he is already holding an apple.

Elves at Helms Deep may not be in the book, but their arrival, valiant combat, and the moving death of Haldir worked beautifully.

Let the film be the film.

pkgrl · 19th January 2003, 10:31 PM

Absolutely let the film be the film...

however

Quote:

A "glaring problem" in TTT is that Pippin is tied up, but his hands are free as the horse rears over him, then later it is explained how his hands were freed. Not sure the sequence works quite right.

Or in FOTR when Aragorn throws the apple that hits Pippin in the head, as Pippin leans over to pick up the apple his other hand rises into the frame revealing he is already holding an apple.

I don't think either of these was a problem. In TTT, Pippin crawls over to a blade sticking out of the ground and begins to cut through the bonds on his wrists, before the horse rears over him, and in FOTR, Merry hands Pippin an apple before Aragorn throws the second one that hits Pippin's head.

No problem in either case. PJ did an AWESOME job with continuity. Just watching two episodes of Roswell made me realize that the continuity ball is an easy one to drop, but PJ and his crew were amazing in that regards.

webmouse · 20th January 2003, 02:28 AM

Upon reflection I think you are probably right and besides neither of those instances really rates as a "glaring problem" -- even to me.

Those who have trouble accepting the changes PJ has made in Tolkien's work need to remember that many people who see the movies have never read the books (I know because I live with two of them

) If the movies play well and make sense to those with no prior knowledge of Tolkien or the world of Middle Earth, then PJ has done his job.

And of course, this leaves incentive for those who have never read the books to go read them. If PJ had slavishly followed every line of Tolkien, then there would never be any point in reading LOTR again. As it is PJ has given a wonderful feel to LOTR while leaving plenty of room to tell those in need: "Oh, but you need to read the books. There's ever so much more in them than in the films."

pkgrl · 20th January 2003, 01:14 PM

One word, webmouse:

Abso-frelling-lutely!

Dave · 25th January 2003, 10:51 AM

Just seen it, yes I'm late I know

I liked some of the additions to the film not in the book. Legolas on the skateboard was great.

Didn't mind the Arwen scenes either.

No one has commented on Legolas jumping on the horse with Gimli during the attack on the Urak-Hai near the beginning. The man behind me in the cinema shouted "Woah!" and everyone laughed. It was just too unbelievable.

My wife has never read the books, only 'The Hobbit', and she found it difficult to follow 'who' was 'where'. Even though it is years since I read them, I guess it did help me to follow it. The films need to be accessible to everyone, not only Tolkien fans, and I think Peter Jackson has done a good job.

Fantastic images. Really beautiful cinema.

Shaun · 26th January 2003, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
No one has commented on Legolas jumping on the horse with Gimli during the attack on the Urak-Hai near the beginning. The man behind me in the cinema shouted "Woah!" and everyone laughed. It was just too unbelievable.

Too unbelievable for an Elf?

timdgreat · 26th January 2003, 03:19 AM

well i went WOW the first time i saw it most likely as every one else did, but i dont see any thing wrong with it yes it looks really messed up but who cares it was cool:rolly2: :rolly2:

FeedMeTV · 26th January 2003, 03:11 PM

I thought the horse bit was great, I love it when you get a reaction from the cinema audience, it just gives the whole atmosphere an extra buzz.

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timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	hehe i just saw it for the 4th time with one of my freinds. we counted 72 glaring problems with the film that were not from the book. and no i dont hate TTT now, in fact i still love it, but it still has problems

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7th January 2003, 02:49 AM	#31 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	i saw it lets see 3 times in the first 24 hours it was great, i saw the midnight showing, a 11am showing, and a 4pm showing, only leaving the theater for some sleep between the first and seconed times i saw it :rolly2: :rolly2: i sat in the back of a really big theater with stadium seating, it was awesome, i only fell asleep once, in the third show and that was during sams speach at Osgiliath, (were they werent even supposed to be ) I LOVED IT im gonna go see it again soon:rolly2: :rolly2:

7th January 2003, 12:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Well, Jay Jay, I agree with Ray Gower about the books. I read The Hobbit after I'd read LotR twice and it makes some of the references in FotR more understandable, like you're being let in on a private joke, but it's not critical. And ALWAYS ask people near the middle or back of the theater to move over before you settle on the front. I HATE the front row... even in the theaters with stadium seating, it sucks. Gotta make plans to see TTT again... maybe this weekend. I still think I missed stuff.

7th January 2003, 09:45 PM	#33 (permalink)
Jay Jay I'm a Lambrini Girl Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 168	Thanks pkgrl. I was speaking to my dad about borrowing his books about 30 mins ago. He also gave me 2 Tolkien introductory books, you know, let you know words, characters etc. He's going to look out his books for me and let me 'borrow' them. I also totally agree with you about the pictures, but my sis was having none of it. I was asking about spaces at a nice distance, but off she went, so followed me. Cant wait till it comes out on DVD now. Does anyone know when? J

8th January 2003, 12:24 AM	#34 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	I don't know, but based on FotR's release, I'd guess August again with an extended version before the holiday season. We've got time... lots of it. Personally, I'm looking forward to see if they make a presence at the comic con again this year. That'll be in July. If I get any news then, I'll post it here... along with any awesome pics I might take.

18th January 2003, 10:06 PM	#36 (permalink)
webmouse Fearless Mouse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland Posts: 1,159	Hi, Tim -- why do you characterize the differences as "glaring problems" ? The film holds internal consistency and follows well from the previous film. There is no requirement on Peter Jackson to be "faithful" to the books, much as Tolkien fans may want or expect it. The film must also appeal to those who have never read the books. It must stand on its own, as a film, and as such cannot in every detail follow the text. Also, we don't know what was left on the cutting room floor, although I suspect we'll see some of that on the eventual DVD

18th January 2003, 11:44 PM	#37 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	i think that they are glaring problems, mostly cause i was nitpicking,and i know that we have to keep up consistnecy, and make things understandable for the people who didnt read the books i was just saying

19th January 2003, 12:45 AM	#38 (permalink)
webmouse Fearless Mouse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland Posts: 1,159	Ah, but keep in mind that one person's nitpick isn't necessarily anyone else's "glaring problem." A "glaring problem" in TTT is that Pippin is tied up, but his hands are free as the horse rears over him, then later it is explained how his hands were freed. Not sure the sequence works quite right. Or in FOTR when Aragorn throws the apple that hits Pippin in the head, as Pippin leans over to pick up the apple his other hand rises into the frame revealing he is already holding an apple. Elves at Helms Deep may not be in the book, but their arrival, valiant combat, and the moving death of Haldir worked beautifully. Let the film be the film.

20th January 2003, 02:28 AM	#40 (permalink)
webmouse Fearless Mouse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland Posts: 1,159	Upon reflection I think you are probably right and besides neither of those instances really rates as a "glaring problem" -- even to me. Those who have trouble accepting the changes PJ has made in Tolkien's work need to remember that many people who see the movies have never read the books (I know because I live with two of them ) If the movies play well and make sense to those with no prior knowledge of Tolkien or the world of Middle Earth, then PJ has done his job. And of course, this leaves incentive for those who have never read the books to go read them. If PJ had slavishly followed every line of Tolkien, then there would never be any point in reading LOTR again. As it is PJ has given a wonderful feel to LOTR while leaving plenty of room to tell those in need: "Oh, but you need to read the books. There's ever so much more in them than in the films."

20th January 2003, 01:14 PM	#41 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	One word, webmouse: Abso-frelling-lutely!

25th January 2003, 10:51 AM	#42 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,602	Just seen it, yes I'm late I know I liked some of the additions to the film not in the book. Legolas on the skateboard was great. Didn't mind the Arwen scenes either. No one has commented on Legolas jumping on the horse with Gimli during the attack on the Urak-Hai near the beginning. The man behind me in the cinema shouted "Woah!" and everyone laughed. It was just too unbelievable. My wife has never read the books, only 'The Hobbit', and she found it difficult to follow 'who' was 'where'. Even though it is years since I read them, I guess it did help me to follow it. The films need to be accessible to everyone, not only Tolkien fans, and I think Peter Jackson has done a good job. Fantastic images. Really beautiful cinema.

26th January 2003, 03:19 AM	#44 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alexandria VA, USA(Washington DC u idiots) Posts: 3,093	well i went WOW the first time i saw it most likely as every one else did, but i dont see any thing wrong with it yes it looks really messed up but who cares it was cool:rolly2: :rolly2:

26th January 2003, 03:11 PM	#45 (permalink)
FeedMeTV The Fifth Member of SG-1 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: England Posts: 803	I thought the horse bit was great, I love it when you get a reaction from the cinema audience, it just gives the whole atmosphere an extra buzz.