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| Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001
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| Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies? We already know that Obi Wan lies to Luke in ANH at least once: Quote:
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I am amazed that the film series holds up as well as it does actually, but something is going to be wrong there. Either that or Obi Wan was really laying 'Your father was a great Jedi' at little thick in that scene. | |||
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| Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001
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| okay...the part where he explains about Vader killing his father I have always explained away by saying that it was true in a sense at least...Darth Vader did kill Anakin Skywalker for all intents and purposes. It just happened that it was the same person. As for the rest...well...guess we just wait and see. |
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| *heavy breathing* Yea, I kind of always have thought that myself that once Anakin Falls to the Dark side of the Force and Darth Vader is 'born' Anakin dies. So in a way Darth 'kills' Anakin Skywalker. :evil: |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? I've always seen it this way. Perhaps Ben considered Anakin dead when he struck him down? He wasn't expecting Vader to survive. Whilst Vader was recuperating and the Death Star being built no one would of heard of Vader for a long time. Particularly in a back waters planet such as Tatooine. Ben then went into hiding to protect Luke from the Emporor rather than from Vader. As for his story, well he and Anakin were close. Maybe he didn't want to tarnish Anakins name because of the bond they once shared? |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? Ben would have felt the ongoing presence of Anakin/Darth Vader. He and Yoda would have gone into hiding to survive what was coming, nothing more. You really can't defend Lucas on this, he just decided to change the story and make Ben into a compulsive liar, but look at it this way, would Luke have gone with him if he had known that it was his father who had wiped out his whole family. |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? I think it was imperative to Obi's cause that Luke see his father as a hero. He had to turn Anakin into more than just the pilot that Luke knew him as. He had to give Luke someone to emulate. Luke had respect for Ben, but he wouldn't want to live the life of some strange old hermit from Tatooine. I think Obi lied in order to push Luke in the right direction. Anakin never meant Luke to have his lightsaber, because he didn't know about Luke. Notice how uncomfortable Obi Wan looks while telling Luke how Vader killed Anakin. But, Obi was human. I've never actually read, or seen, or heard anything stating that jedi weren't allowed to lie. Ever. To anyone. Because they're our heroes, some people imagine that the jedi moral compass is supposed to point north according to our own view of morality (whatever that may be) but Lucas has never been so specific regarding such matters. I have no idea what his view of lies and lying really is, but I personally think Obi lied to Luke. |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? He was speaking metaphorically and trying to condense a lot into a few sentences. I'll go with metaphors but not outright lies. |
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| As crazy as a loon | Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? He had gone slightly senile by that time, living on his own in a cave on a desert planet for nearly two decades. Actually the passage of time isn't well defined in SW. How long does a year last on Tattoine? Surely years are different depending on the planet you are on? Was there a great galactic standard year, 1 orbit of Curascant (sp)? |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? First of all, Ep IV was written and produced before Ep I-III, so there would be that inconsistency. That said, I think Obi-Wan is weaseling when he said, in Ep VI, that he was correct, in a manner of speaking, to say that Darth Vader killed Luke's father, Anakin. |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? Everybody check the date on this thread please. I wrote it before Ep III. I wanted to know 'how' Lucas was 'going' to resolve that inconsistency. He didn't, Ben does lie, but I agree with C of K that it was imperative that Luke thought of his father as a hero otherwise that would have been the end of the story. |
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| Re: Did Obi Wan tell Luke a pack of Lies in ANH? Well, heres my two pence: 1. I think Obi-wan preferred to consider anakin dead, than as Dark Vader, so it was a mental block for himself. Obi-wan couldnt bring himself to think of Anakin, his friend as this mass murdering sith. 2. The thing is, he has to think about when he was last called obi-wan, and to be fair, it was only slightly after he was born. So its not too much of a problem. Plus, you could see it as a matter of, when the Jedi were hunted down, Obi-wan was no longer Obi-wan, he was ben, he was in hiding. 3. This I think, is something of a white lie. Rather than just say "I pinched this off your dad's body", it was a lot more ceremonial for Luke to think he had inherited through kindness. Alot of this ties into why Obi-wan let himself die, its all part of luke growing up to become a Jedi and bring balance to the force. Obi-wan needed luke to hate vader, to want to defeat him, and not to think of his father as a corrupt individual. Its not a great way to start your journey to the Jedi is it? "Yeah, your dad turned evil, and I cut him up". It was a white lie, intended to help Luke become a Jedi. |
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