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Raynor · 21st October 2005, 05:48 PM

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As I already stated bove teh ywere send by Manwe and chsoen by him directly

Your quoting a passage I already quoted above. I used a bad word with "chose" they were sent by Manwe's mandate - his council

Our quotes slightly overlap; previous to that, Tolkien also hints that Manwe could have counseled with Eru on this matter - which is quite probable, since in Myths transformed Manwe is represented as the only one "having the power of direct recourse to and communication with Eru". If this was the case, then more to the point would be that the Istari are sent by Eru.

Allanon · 21st October 2005, 06:24 PM

so who is alatar then????

Raynor · 21st October 2005, 07:09 PM

Alatar is a Maia related to Orome; he is one of the two blue wizards (Ithryn Luin) who went into the far west. Not much is known about him and his friend Pallando; in his Letters, Tolkien fears that they failed and suspects that they started secret cults and magic traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.

An alternative name is given to Alatar in HoME 12, The five wizards: Morinehtar, darkness-slayer.

Allanon · 21st October 2005, 07:50 PM

then what other names does Rhadaghast have if any??

Raynor · 21st October 2005, 08:42 PM

His other name, given in The Istari, Unfinished Tales, is Aiwendil (lover of birds).

Treikayan · 22nd October 2005, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Allanon

so who is alatar then????

I almost confused Annatar for alatar for a minute, and its a good thing someone posted after you. Annatar (Lord of Gifts) was the "front" that Sauron put on for the elves, when the rings were forged.

Allanon · 22nd October 2005, 05:02 PM

i feel a little daft knowing so little of these books that i like so much.

Treikayan · 22nd October 2005, 05:45 PM

I hear ya. I've read the books, but find out I'm still missing a lot, just as in my previous example. I kept looking at Alatar as Annatar. I didn't even know who Alatar was, but I knew who Annatar was. Ack!

ChasenFate · 14th November 2005, 06:20 PM

Gandalf....Just a birthday wizard.

orionsixwings · 16th November 2005, 11:13 PM

Gandalf and Sauron are of the same kind. So yeah, he's more than a wizard. When he was sent to middle earth to balance things along with four other wizards (Saruman, Palando, Alatar, and Radagast) they took on another form called the Istari.

Marky Lazer · 18th November 2005, 03:56 PM

Sorry for nit-picking, but don't ypu spell Pallando with double l?

21st October 2005, 06:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
Allanon High Druid Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northumberland Posts: 210	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard so who is alatar then????

21st October 2005, 07:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
Raynor Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Romania Posts: 145	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard Alatar is a Maia related to Orome; he is one of the two blue wizards (Ithryn Luin) who went into the far west. Not much is known about him and his friend Pallando; in his Letters, Tolkien fears that they failed and suspects that they started secret cults and magic traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron. An alternative name is given to Alatar in HoME 12, The five wizards: Morinehtar, darkness-slayer.

21st October 2005, 07:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
Allanon High Druid Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northumberland Posts: 210	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard then what other names does Rhadaghast have if any??

21st October 2005, 08:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
Raynor Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Romania Posts: 145	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard His other name, given in The Istari, Unfinished Tales, is Aiwendil (lover of birds).

22nd October 2005, 05:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
Allanon High Druid Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northumberland Posts: 210	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard i feel a little daft knowing so little of these books that i like so much.

22nd October 2005, 05:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
Treikayan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 194	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard I hear ya. I've read the books, but find out I'm still missing a lot, just as in my previous example. I kept looking at Alatar as Annatar. I didn't even know who Alatar was, but I knew who Annatar was. Ack!

14th November 2005, 06:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
ChasenFate Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 101	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard Gandalf....Just a birthday wizard.

16th November 2005, 11:13 PM	#25 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ASIA: Posts: 285	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard Gandalf and Sauron are of the same kind. So yeah, he's more than a wizard. When he was sent to middle earth to balance things along with four other wizards (Saruman, Palando, Alatar, and Radagast) they took on another form called the Istari.

18th November 2005, 03:56 PM	#26 (permalink)
Marky Lazer Plastic Paddy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,735	Re: Gandalf - more than a Wizard Sorry for nit-picking, but don't ypu spell Pallando with double l?

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